Important message from Michael and Auriea regarding CSS

quadraptor's picture
Hey guys, here is the e-mails and responses from me to Michael and Auriea on the events that went on. I thought you should know, especially those of you who use CSS.

Here's what you'll need to know:

"We have disabled css (and all HTML) on any new posts. People will have to use BBCODE to style new posts. Old posts with html/css will continue to exist so long as the user doesn't edit and save. Same goes for embeded videos. We may turn this stuff back on if there is no further problem."



So don't edit your CSS blogs for a while until Michael and Auriea decide to put CSS back up, or else you'll lose it. Your CSS will stop working if you edit your blog now. It will be a good idea to save your code, too.

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The full chain of e-mails -





Hi Chris,


Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Two others did the same. Smiling
We have blocked Caturday's account and are looking into disabling CSS,
which should remove the possibility to white-out pages. Apparently,
humans cannot be trusted with this technology and need to be oppressed.
Oh well.


Thank you for your concern,

Michael Samyn & Auriea Harvey.
Tale of Tales






Hi Chris,

We have disabled css (and all HTML) on any new posts. People will have to use BBCODE to style new posts. Old posts with html/css will continue to exist so long as the user doesn't edit and save. Same goes for embeded videos. We may turn this stuff back on if there is no further problem.

We've fixed anything "whited out" that we could find. The script you sent, while a good temporary band-aid, won't really solve the problem. If you run into things that are still whited out let us know as there is no way for us to search for individual instances.

thanks again for your help and support of TEF!
Auriea & Michael
Kaoori's picture

so, no offense but somehow I

so, no offense but somehow I have to suffer. My CSS is gone because someone else did something to me.

I don't find that fair.
J!n's picture

Thanks a lot, Quad.. This is

Thanks a lot, Quad.. This is really sad though.
Hope you're happy now, caturday.

No one should blame you, Quad, or anyone who got their blogs whited out.
Munkel's picture

Most people weren't even

Most people weren't even involved or don't even know what happened at all.
quadraptor's picture

I don't know what to tell

I don't know what to tell you, Kaoori. It was Michael and Auriea's decision, not mine. Please don't be angry at me about this, I was only doing what I thought was right in letting M&A know we were having an issue.
OokamiAzura's picture

^ What Kimi said. And also,

^ What Kimi said.

And also, I'm a huge update person. I don't like the fact that I have to hold out for god knows how long (Most likely this will be a few months) just so I can see how everyone is doing.

I can understand their reasoning, but it just seems like a bigger hassle. =/
Unplugged's picture

And so the TEFc goes into

And so the TEFc goes into hibernation for a week...

I agree that the deletion of OP-CSS was not necessary. They could've fixed white-out without touching the other things.


For those with update blogs, we can update in comments, or create a temporary update-blog.
Kaoori's picture

I'm not mad at anyone. I'm

I'm not mad at anyone. I'm just frustrated. I'm sure people will be mad at -me- now because CSS is gone.
OokamiAzura's picture

Kimi, I am not cross with you

Kimi, I am not cross with you at all. This was not, I repeat, not your fault. Don't think like that. -Hugs- =/

If anyone dares to get upset with you, they need to grow up.
quadraptor's picture

Kaoori, noone will be mad at

Kaoori, noone will be mad at you. This wasn't your fault. It was Caturday who caused the problem. Please don't ever think like that.

Sigh...blame me if you have to. I was the one who contacted M&A, and was only trying to help.

They said it was temporary anyway.

Kaoori, hun, it's not your

Kaoori, hun, it's not your fault.
Fincayra's picture

Kaoori, this is definitely

Kaoori, this is definitely not your fault.
Nor is it yours, Quad. You did the right thing by contacting them. If you hadn't, who knows what damage Caturday could have done to TEFc. It was a good thing someone reported it early before it did happen and M&A actually did decide to shut this place down.
Sighthoundlady's picture

Ugh, this sucks. Maybe this

Ugh, this sucks.

Maybe this is where, “Play nice and just ignore those folks that wish to cause problems,” comes in. Things never would have escalated to such an extent if that’s what we had done to begin with.

I had a client who complained about the neighbor’s dogs to animal control. Animal control came and investigated the neighbor and fined them for not licensing their dogs. They also fined my client who also happened to have unlicensed dogs. In fact they fined a lot of people in the neighborhood.

So maybe next time, we can all just be adults and not go running to the “Policía” who will only come and wreck all our houses.

I thought things were getting nicely taken care of on our own. Now the whole community has been punished.
Mis's picture

No, noone's mad at you Kim or

No, noone's mad at you Kim or at, for that matter, anyone here. Don't worry, I guess it's safe to say the only person we should be mad at is Caturday. Though this whiting-out is not something that only happens right now. It has happend in the past too and personally I hope the people who did so back then, or threatened to do so to others back then, are also now deeply ashamed of themselves.

Unplugged, have you thought about emailing them with said solution? Perhaps they don't know of it, I think they mentioned before they're pretty unfamilair with this type of forum/code?
Graveyard's picture

As everyone else has said, it

As everyone else has said, it is not your fault Kimi. Blame the cause of all the issues, and the one who decided to hold a 'grudge' against everyone involved in the matter. They are the real problem here, not you.

I adore you hun, even though we don't talk much or do anything at all (Heh) and you shouldn't beat yourself up on such a matter as this. I am just hoping that M&A disabled all access for the person in question, and not just the one account.

"Your efforts are insignificant! I carry you to your deaths!"
Tantopat's picture

What about if users with

What about if users with CSS-based bios created temporary BB-code bios for now? It wouldn't be ideal exactly, but at least it would allow you to continue updating people as to your activities and characters, and once the CSS code was available to use again you could either keep the BB-code bios or move the updates to your CSS ones and delete the temporary ones. Smiling
There is a crack in everything; that's how the light gets in.

This event reminds me all the

This event reminds me all the classrooms I would ever be in. If one or a few students kept screwing things up for the entire class, the entire class had to pay the price. I'm disappointed in so much right now.

As for the updating or adding information in comments when it comes to people who have blogs with css (the majority of members here) still intact, I recommend that. It actually would seem kind of nice. As for keeping up on updates and stuff between characters, well...there's rp blogs for that. And bios.

quadraptor's picture

I tried to calm the situation

I tried to calm the situation when it was going on, but of course I wasn't involved in the actual dispute so I didn't really have a say. I think we need to take a step back sometimes and remember that this is just a game and is meant for fun. It's unfortunate that one person can cause such damage but that seems to be a lesson on life.

Just remember that for every one person like Caturday, there's ten people who are good and moral.

Hmm. I just made a test

Hmm. I just made a test blog...
... css is not really diabled for now, is it?

Since... it still worked.

(too lazy to change accounts now. Alice here |D )


Sighthoundlady's picture

Hey, just wanted to say I’m

Hey, just wanted to say I’m not mad at Quad or anything here. He was trying to be responsible.

But from what I can see in this sites and the forum’s history, when somebody causes problems, the game creator’s reaction is usually just to shut everything down. From their point of view, I get this, they have other things going on and babysitting and moderating are not top on their list. If I was running a free game and people where being annoying, I’d yank the rug on them too.


And I second Alice, I was just fiddling with Woden's blog before I saw this and it's still working okay.

Maybe we'll get lucky and the Gods will be too busy/distracted to punish us. Eye
Unplugged's picture

Quote:Unplugged, have you

Quote:
Unplugged, have you thought about emailing them with said solution? Perhaps they don't know of it, I think they mentioned before they're pretty unfamilair with this type of forum/code?


Quad has included it in his messages, yes. M&A are right though when they say it's a "good temporary band-aid, but will not really solve the problem". It's just a workaround that is easy to dodge, especially if you know what you're doing.
Snowsauria's picture

I'm glad Caturday is gone. I

I'm glad Caturday is gone.

I don't need css on my update blog, and I'll just avoid editing the bios for a while.
I'm just glad something was done about this troll. Thanks Quad, and others that sent an e-mail to M&A. n__n

And Alice is right, the css seem to be working still.

Personally, I'm conflictedly

Personally, I'm conflictedly angry and amused by anyone and everyone on this community who played any part in this. (With the exception of Quad and those who only tried to rectify the mess made).

I feel like I could laugh and flip out at someone all in one go.

Way to go guys.

Bravo, as I've said. Braaaavo.

Now the entire community has to suffer for the select few's very negligent choices.

...besides that i forgott to

...besides that i forgott to add...

I totally understand this reaction and it was quite clear to me that this would happen.
If i where in their position... i would have done the same.
Graveyard's picture

I third what Sight and Alice

I third what Sight and Alice have mentioned, I deleted my old 'testing' blog and reposted it and the CSS is still working fine and dandy there. No problems at all with posting it. Perhaps we got lucky?

"Your efforts are insignificant! I carry you to your deaths!"
Tuhka's picture

I find it really sad how such

I find it really sad how such petty drama and stuff can mess things up this much in this community.
Now we're all paying for it. Once again.

-sigh-
Unplugged's picture

well, if css still works now,

well, if css still works now, I'd find that sort of... amusing. What a dark sense of humour that would be.
Sighthoundlady's picture

Yeah, CSS still seems to be

Yeah, CSS still seems to be working.

I’m hoping maybe the gods don’t actually know how to disable CSS from the forum and will instead find something shiny to distract themselves and once again leave us to our own devices.

*Hoping, hoping, hoping* Puzzled

I wonder if they're in the

I wonder if they're in the process of disabling it, will disable it later,
or if they're not too talented at disabling something..

*knocks on wood to prevent bad luck*

Nice one Caturday, look what

Nice one Caturday, look what you've done now.
I can live without CSS, it just saddens me that others have been affected by it, even though they've done nothing wrong.
I'm just glad Cat has been banned. Thank you M&A.
quadraptor's picture

I guess it may be a little

I guess it may be a little late to mention that I have let Michael and Auriea know that I posted their e-mails and mine on here. So you may want to be careful with what you say.

byyyy the way. Wouldn't it

byyyy the way.

Wouldn't it be a litte more... 'fairer' to disable the css just for comments.... and not for blogs as well?


That would prevent from whiteout, too...

Unplugged's picture

I've suggested that too,

I've suggested that too, AliceV. I'm not sure whether this is actually possible though. But I would find that to be the best permanent solution.
Amazon's picture

Oh, that's a really good

Oh, that's a really good point, AliceV.

Sighthoundlady's picture

The Policía, they are

The Policía, they are watching.

The Policía, they are not your friend.

My husband and I honeymooned in Mexico. We were driving a rental car to the airport to fly home when we were pulled over by the Policía. He had pulled us over for having bags in the back window. Yeah, okay. The fact that we were white was more likely the reason. He then proceeded to confiscate my husband’s drivers license and told us that unless we paid him $250 cash dollars he would not give it back. We were scared and shocked. I was terrified, he was going to throw my husband into a Mexican jail, and everyone knows what happens then. We managed to pull together $50 dollars, gave him that and he was satisfied. Of course he didn’t write us any kind of official ticket or receipt. He was robbing us after all. Not conducting “official” business.

And that my friends, is why you shouldn’t trust the Policía.

But my real point is that I am just an old paranoid hippie and if I we can deal with something ourselves, we should.

oh.. okay... sorry then

oh.. okay... sorry then unplugged i didn't read it then |D
Starling's picture

It completely sucks that we

It completely sucks that we all have to suffer what Caturday caused, but I'm still very glad you reported this Quad. Thankyou c:
Iaurdagnire's picture

Hm. Don't worry Kimi. This

Hm.

Don't worry Kimi. This isn't about you, anyway.

I agree with you Alice - it would make more sense to just disable css in the reply boxes. That is what the problem is; I wonder if doing that is possible. It is certainly a more plausible thing to do.

TEF makes M&A no money, so I'm not surprised they act rashly when it comes to the TEFc "problems".
Unplugged's picture

I discussed this privately

I discussed this privately AliceV so you couldn't know. xD Don't worry and all.
Sypris's picture

hmm... i notice the new text

hmm...

i notice the new text at the bottom of the messages now. did they just change comments or should i still keep my hands from updating my blogs?

^ This.

^
This.
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BluedeerLegend18's picture

At least Caturday got what he

At least Caturday got what he want. He was starting to get annoying with his "pony" threads.
I have a Master's degree in Wumbology.
Sighthoundlady's picture

I'm assuming that this has

I'm assuming that this has been instituted since the CSS on Herla's new Bio is not working.

Bummer. Puzzled

D: Darn. Guess I can't go

D: Darn.
Guess I can't go updating bios anymore.
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Sypris's picture

Thank you very much, SHL.

Thank you very much, SHL. I'll control myself.

It's sad, but...I think we all saw something like this coming. I'm kind of surprised it didn't happen the first time this happened. Hmm...we'll see.
uwharrie's picture

Hm, I just updated the

Hm, I just updated the journal in my doe's bio... which contains a fair amount of CSS, and none of it was lost in the process... so I suppose just changing things like that won't effect the CSS?
GingerNut's picture

I hope this is temporary...

I hope this is temporary...

Wow I suppose I shoudn't be

Wow
I suppose I shoudn't be shocked that some one would evntually do this.After trolls are trolls.
Even though I am unaware of who's blogs were whited out{assumming Koorie?}.This event is sad however we will live,we have the community still and they didn't sound like they would ban css forever.

It sucks it's true I sorry for those who were targetted in this mess.I consider Css another form of art since it's another way to express our characters,but like I said we still have the comunnity.


Quad,you were only looking out for us,so why should we be mad at you?

I guess I will have to resort to other means in updating my character for now.But this is a small price to pay to keep the community and all the friends we have on here.

Please let my words shed a positive light on the sitution my friends.

Trolls: 1 TEF: 0 {Matthieu

Trolls: 1

TEF: 0

{Matthieu here, too lazy to switch accounts}
Nayu's picture

I can't believe one person

I can't believe one person managed to create such a mess. I'm relatively new here, but have seen the impressive amount of work most of you put into your bios.

It's quite saddening to see that even a community like this one get targeted by trolls.

Well, I will take the opportunity right now to say that all of you managed to create something awesome with this community, with the internet swarming with "3#X{#@!, its nice to know they're still a place like this one.

So....
Smiling Massive hug everyone! Smiling

Hope everything will be quickly put back into order!!









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moonsoverwater's picture

hmph. This is disappointing.

hmph.

This is disappointing.

That's all I can say on the subject.


(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!