Important message from Michael and Auriea regarding CSS

quadraptor's picture
Hey guys, here is the e-mails and responses from me to Michael and Auriea on the events that went on. I thought you should know, especially those of you who use CSS.

Here's what you'll need to know:

"We have disabled css (and all HTML) on any new posts. People will have to use BBCODE to style new posts. Old posts with html/css will continue to exist so long as the user doesn't edit and save. Same goes for embeded videos. We may turn this stuff back on if there is no further problem."



So don't edit your CSS blogs for a while until Michael and Auriea decide to put CSS back up, or else you'll lose it. Your CSS will stop working if you edit your blog now. It will be a good idea to save your code, too.

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The full chain of e-mails -





Hi Chris,


Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Two others did the same. Smiling
We have blocked Caturday's account and are looking into disabling CSS,
which should remove the possibility to white-out pages. Apparently,
humans cannot be trusted with this technology and need to be oppressed.
Oh well.


Thank you for your concern,

Michael Samyn & Auriea Harvey.
Tale of Tales






Hi Chris,

We have disabled css (and all HTML) on any new posts. People will have to use BBCODE to style new posts. Old posts with html/css will continue to exist so long as the user doesn't edit and save. Same goes for embeded videos. We may turn this stuff back on if there is no further problem.

We've fixed anything "whited out" that we could find. The script you sent, while a good temporary band-aid, won't really solve the problem. If you run into things that are still whited out let us know as there is no way for us to search for individual instances.

thanks again for your help and support of TEF!
Auriea & Michael
Uruushou's picture

Because of a troll, we must

Because of a troll, we must all suffer... Man, what an ass. *sigh* For what it's worth, thank you for approaching M&A about this, Quad, especially in such a professional manner. I can understand how they want to be extra cautious by disabling all CSS, but it's a shame that we all have to pay for it. I don't understand why people choose to troll here; nothing offensive is going on, and it's a nice community. Some people just like to take pleasure in seeing others in misery, unfortunately...schadenfreude, if you will. I can't help but wonder if this Caturday is an actual member of the site, but I sure hope s/he is not. It would be a great shame to have such hostility come from an actual community member who just got really bored one day.
eyestrain's picture

May I please ask everyone to

May I please ask everyone to ignore recognized trolls in the future?

Michael and Auriea are busy people and despite TEF's importance to all of us, it is a side project for them.

When there is someone trying to provoke a reaction, being outraged with their behavior only feeds them and encourages them to keep provoking. Putting on a straight face and waiting for them to wear themselves out is a good way to bore and be rid of them (or, in a rare chance, placate them to the point they want to behave to gain your attention).

It is a shame to lose access to your hard work. But TEF isn't about CSS. It's about our experiences in the forest and our time with each other. Our journals are a good way to keep track of that and for those of you who spend the time to make your css lovely, it is a kind of art. But it's not the heart of TEF. Your deer is not your CSS.

If someone makes it known they are a troll in this fashion in the future, please remember that we have the power to reject them not by attacking back, but by quietly and peacefully leaving them alone.
Be patient and win the battle with kindness and respect for yourself. Fight with pacifism.
Isn't that the kind of place this forest is?

I don't strive to be the best, but instead I strive to do my best, and always give it my all every time.
-faunet
Uruushou's picture

^ Agreed whole-heartedly. A

^ Agreed whole-heartedly. A flame war is exactly what trolls want, and as difficult as it is to resist the urge to verbally berate them, it only encourages them to keep on feeding the fire. It is best to ignore them, as they will grow bored and move on soon enough. However, this person went so far as to white-out peoples' comments and blogs, and that is completely unacceptable. It's appalling to think that someone would wish to attack the people here like that. It's heartless and cruel, and it's moments like these where ignoring them is not enough. M&A did the right thing. I just hope that that person does not come back and ruin things even more than they already have. CSS just might not be an option at all if that's the case.
Darling's picture

If they don't bring CSS back

If they don't bring CSS back at all, it may be in our best interests to move our biographies off-site in the event that something like this or worse ever happens, or at least have EVERYTHING backed up in a .txt file or something. I've been meaning to move my own off-site for quite a while..

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Graveyard's picture

For the most part CSS IS

For the most part CSS IS still around on the site. I am not sure if it is fully Disabled or not but you can read back posts in which people are confirming that you are still able to update blogs, etc. with CSS and still HAVE the CSS there. I created a new blog earlier (Specifically This one) after this was posted and the CSS still worked there.

I am not saying that it's not disabled or it IS disabled but worrying too much about the subject at hand is just going to put more stress than it is worth. I wasn't around for the majority OF this but I was reading a great deal about it from blogs and VIA contacts from friends of mine. It only takes one 'bad seed' so to say to stir up a hornets nest. Many times it is hard to ignore the person, and there are times when ignoring them just does not work at all. Sometimes ignoring someone actually provokes them more. Though yes, ignoring is often the best solution.

Either way, don't fret too much about this. CSS still seems to be intact (For the most part) so we can all go about our happy, joyful lives.

"Your efforts are insignificant! I carry you to your deaths!"
onyxsoulclaw's picture

Hi there, Just to say thank

Hi there,
Just to say thank you for getting this sorted.I really appricate it. It's nice to see that the issue has been delt with. In all honesty i found CSS to hurt my eyes and it seemed an insult to the builders to change what they made.

Some times when people put their heart and soul in something it's best not to twist it to our own desires.

Hopefully people will have lernt from this.
Take care and all the best.
Sluggs's picture

Wake up guys! This was not

Wake up guys! Puzzled

This was not just down to one person! Others have been abusing CSS code to ruin blogs, and this isn't the first time it has happened!

And guys, when someone like Caturday does come along, don't join in like some of you did and do what they do! Puzzled He/She wasn't the only person posting My Little Pony pics, was they? Sticking out tongue

I don't know what has happened to this community site, I really don't! It never used to be like this! Sticking out tongue

And yes, M&A are too busy to fix things, so it would be easier for them just to close this place down!
Hart's picture

Something's wrong with the

Something's wrong with the reply button.
eyestrain's picture

I apologize for my

I apologize for my participation in the MLP thread. I thought it was a harmless joke and only found out about Caturday's bad behavior after.

I don't strive to be the best, but instead I strive to do my best, and always give it my all every time.
-faunet
Sighthoundlady's picture

I too participated in the My

I too participated in the My Little Pony thread. It was an attempt to bring brevity to the situation and perhaps distract this individual into doing something benign. What is that they say, “kill them with kindness?”
Sluggs's picture

Whatever your reasons, all it

Whatever your reasons, all it does is encourages them. Smiling It would have been better to ask them to stop, instead of posting another MLP pic!

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS LIKE, EH? Smiling *slaps*
Tantopat's picture

Sorry about that. In another

Sorry about that. Sad In another community that I'm a part of we have a MLP thread where we just post pictures and chat about the show, and I assumed that this was something similar, so I posted a picture to try and join in. I guess I shouldn't jump to conclusions next time... ;^^
There is a crack in everything; that's how the light gets in.
moonsoverwater's picture

WHy don't we make a site just

WHy don't we make a site just for bios? I mean, there are things called "Proboards" and they are free. "Wetpaint" is also a free website-maker we could use.

I like the idea of moving our bios offsite, because then other people can see them too and if the stumble on one, then they could find TEF.

I was thinking we could have a rule to link to here if you move them offsite.....

Or maybe we could all get "wetpaint" addresses so we can each have one container... like the "update"blogs people are making.

I plan on messing with that tonight.


(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!
moonsoverwater's picture

Don't be sorry, Tanto. No

Don't be sorry, Tanto. No reason to be upset now that it is over ^^


(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!

Personally, Sluggs, I saw the

Personally, Sluggs, I saw the Pony tread all in good fun. It wasn't like it was hurting anyone, it wasn't like it was spammed all over other people's pages, it was all in one pretty easy to ignore blog. Honestly, there are worse things a troll could do than post about an incredibly popular show meant for children.
Sluggs's picture

Maybe we should ask M&A for a

Maybe we should ask M&A for a "My Little Pony" section? Laughing out loud

Maybe we should ask M&A for a

Maybe we should ask M&A for a "sarcasm" section.

fail double post

fail double post

Quote:And guys, when someone

Quote:
And guys, when someone like Caturday does come along, don't join in like some of you did and do what they do! Puzzled He/She wasn't the only person posting My Little Pony pics, was they?


I posted a picture for fun. It was all in good humor. We were not to know they would carry on doing it.
Sure it encouraged them, but it stopped them from saying horrible things to people :'D


onyxsoulclaw's picture

Time out guys. Whats done's

Time out guys.

Whats done's done lets just get back to drawing breath taking art, writing wonderful stores, creating dramatic role plays and playing the game.. Here have some cookies..
Ourania's picture

I totally agree with

I totally agree with onyx...CSS is still here, let's make the most of it while it lasts and just go back to what we were doing before this all started and move on shall we? Smiling
onyxsoulclaw's picture

"Apparently, humans cannot

"Apparently,
humans cannot be trusted with this technology and need to be oppressed"

I must confess I laughted out loud when I read that.
I have never been oppressed before? I hope it does not hurt.
Bless M&A they Rock. Im will be online tonight around 6:00ISH Dancing for the gods feel free to come and join me.
Aranyani's picture

So you are telling me that

So you are telling me that ALL thit squabbles started because of some... pony-post? People, are you serious? No, rly??
Oh well, the cause of this mess was permanently delited, so I probably can never understand what was so annoying in there.

Still, I feel neither hate nor sorrow about blocking the CSS. This is only another disillusionment of my life. So I pretend that I never know about it and stay calm.

And I see that some people suggesting to put our bios offsite. Well, if someone find a place where we can use css without the fear that this story could happen again, I will be happy to join it.
-formerly Silensia-
Hraeth's picture

It really wasn't the pony

It really wasn't the pony thread that was the problem, Sluggs.
Seed's picture

So, since this morning...I

So, since this morning...I haven't been able to edit my more important blog entries (I can edit posts), like my bios or updates. The button just doesn't exist... I've never even used CSS.

Is anyone else having this problem: I mean, is this a part of the blockage, or is this just me?
Sluggs's picture

Hraeth wrote:It really wasn't

Hraeth wrote:
It really wasn't the pony thread that was the problem, Sluggs.


I didn't say it was, we just moved on to that, but it did play a part in it, since some of Caturday's previous MLP posts had been whited-out so he/she made that blog to continue with the ponies!

*gives virtual manhugs*
Sluggs's picture

I think you're on to

I think you're on to something there!
Sighthoundlady's picture

Seed, yes, I too am having

Seed, yes, I too am having this problem, I can't edit one of my blogs, it's the "Where to Find Me" one that I update all the time so it's quite annoying. The "edit" button simply does not exist. Sad

Perhaps this is a side effect of disabling CSS on the site? Strange though, I don't recall that post had any CSS to begin with *scratches head*

Anybody else having this problem?
quadraptor's picture

i've noticed that recent

i've noticed that recent comments in my updates page have been reordered. Something I said yesterday that should be on page 8 of comments is for whatever reason on page 7 above some comments from January or so.

I'm sorry guys. I really screwed everything up. This is all my fault.
Starling's picture

Actually I think that is

Actually I think that is something they added. Depending on which comment you click "reply" to, your comment will actually reply to... so if I reply to a comment way above all these comments, mine will go below the one I replied to, instead of at the bottom of the page... :z

You didn't screw anything up Quad. That jerk needed reporting.
Wotsits's picture

It's such a shame that the

It's such a shame that the Gods have had to do this... :/ Thanks for reporting this Quad, and the others who did, it was the right thing to do. &hearts


Sighthoundlady's picture

Quad this is not your fault!

Quad this is not your fault! You are not the one who decided to go messing with the site setup to “punish” us. Lol. *snuggles*

But yeah, I’ve noticed the comments thing too. So now when you reply to a comment, you will actually reply to that comment, it will appear below it, slightly indented, instead of at the end of the queue like it used too. I like it, in that you can more directly respond to someone but at the same time, if it’s several pages back, it’s likely to be completely overlooked. I’ve been trying to comment to the main post instead once I figured out this was happening.

It's a pity how low some

It's a pity how low some people can go. Caturday should be ashamed. A 'thank you' to M&A for trying to find a solution to this, and to the rest of the community for helping them out <3 I really hope everything will come back in order without TEFc suffering from it. Smiling
IoRez's picture

Quad, you did the right

Quad, you did the right thing. We can't have people wrecking other folks' postings for their own petty amusement. Much like the god-pelt hack fiasco, in that some few abusing code ultimately led to game-wide restrictions. We all had our fun while it lasted, but now it's over.

There is no need to place blame anywhere.
Xemi's picture

Just wondering.. everything

Just wondering.. everything that's needed to be said in regards to the actual post has been said I think. So I'm just wondering..

Let's say, potentially, we DID move our bios to another site if the CSS issue persists. Would people be willing to go off to another site simply to check another's bio? Would they be able to tell when it's updated? Or would it just be linked from a blank page on THIS site (aka a plain, flat bio with no coding, no text except for the name and whatever it takes to hotlink the bio itself onto that page, and maybe the updated info aka "journal updated" on this page so people tracking will know what to check)? I guess that'd work. The track page here was just so useful to see what was changed and when, etc, and I wasn't sure if other sites had a similar function. I'm used to MMORPGs that really don't have much forum activity, so I'm not quite sure how it works on other sites. Eye It took me a little while to get used to TEF's layout too.

Kinda wanted to post here anyway just to track it and see what happens. But CSS has been working for me too, so far.. I've just been hesitantly throwing updates into my testing blog before I touch my bios.


Sypris's picture

Stop, Quad. >: You didn't

Stop, Quad. >: You didn't white anything out.
Sypris's picture

"Would they be able to tell

"Would they be able to tell when it's updated?"

My concern. ;^;
Pegasicorn's picture

I was emailing TOT as well,

I was emailing TOT as well, and mentioned what people suggested about disabling CSS in comments, and how the comments have gone odd on us. This is the reply I got:
Sighthoundlady's picture

Thanks Pegasicorn. It's nice

Thanks Pegasicorn. It's nice to know they care and are actively working on a solution. It is appreciated.
Kaoori's picture

Very nice of them. I know I

Very nice of them. I know I was harsh in my wording (I also panic like a fool |D ); I was just upset when my profile was suddenly completely deleted.
I admit I don't understand CSS and how it works, I had a lot of help from people. But if they can find a way to do this, that would be wonderful.

It's really all so frustrating that just one person can do what happened.

Quad, I repeat, this is not your fault. It's the work of someone else who had a ton of time on their hands and was very bitter about something, TEF related or not and decided to take it here.

*runs away*


..I'm probably replying to the comment and not the subject. /brick'd.
Pegasicorn's picture

Comments should be back to

Comments should be back to normal now. =]
J!n's picture

Yesss, ty M and A.

Yesss, ty M and A.
Unplugged's picture

If anybody really needs it,

If anybody really needs it, you can still manually access the edit page:
http://endlessforest.org/community/node/#####/edit
##### being the node of your blog.


"Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Two others did the same. :)"
quad, this suggests to me that also two other people reported the incident. So it would have happened one or another way.

"But TEF isn't about CSS."
True. I tend to forget that at times. Sorry.
Sighthoundlady's picture

It will be nice if they can

It will be nice if they can figure out a way to just disable CSS in the comments and not the main post. I have to admit, when I first started seeing whited out blogs the night before last, I was really worried the whole site would be taken down. A lot of forums will take very harsh measures against individuals who “mess” with the code and operation of a site like that and they can even take legal action. I was really worried the whole site might just go bye-bye.

Oh, and cool, comments are behaving themselves now. Yay!
Snowsauria's picture

Good to see the comment back

Good to see the comment back to normal. n_n

I also hope they find a way to disable css in comments only, that would have been great. :')

And no one should blame themselves for this, after all, we were many that wanted Caturday gone.
So to anyone that think they are responsible for this; stop thinking that, this is not your fault! ♥
Sighthoundlady's picture

Unplugged, I still can't

Unplugged, I still can't access my one blog, I used that method you stated above and it just tells me I am not authorized to view the page. Any suggestions?
onyxsoulclaw's picture

Hay Quad you did the right

Hay Quad you did the right thing , it's wiser to stop things before they go nutts than let them run and people be hurt. We all need the odd leasson even if we dont feel we should get it, thats what makes us better people. Sends hug
Pegasicorn's picture

Sighthoundlady, you may need

Sighthoundlady, you may need to email M&A telling them about that. It might be another accidental byproduct like the comment threading was.

For anyone that needs the email:
The.Endless.Forest[at]tale-of-tales[dot]com
Ourania's picture

SHL- When you try to access

SHL- When you try to access that page, is there a place to log in on the side? I have to do that sometimes.
Uruushou's picture

Hm... The Edit button is

Hm... The Edit button is appearing for me in my bios, as well as Preview, Save and Cancel. Unless I am late to the party and it has already been fixed? In any case, it is great to see M&A working hard to find the best solution. Everyone bear in mind that they do care about the community, and wish to do the very best for us. This project is their baby, after all. c: Thank you Twin Gods for all of your help and dedication! Hopefully we won't have such problems in the future. *buys a ton of troll-repellent and bear traps*