March 3, 2011 - 6:46pm — quadraptor
Please note, this topic talks a lot about religion and my views. I want this topic to shed some light on a rising issue I have been noticing - religious intolerance. This is in no way an attack on anyone or any religion or denomination. Please understand I am only trying to help.
Yesterday I was a pall bearer for a funeral. It was for a boss of my mom's when she was 16, and she was a very nice lady named Helen who lived until her 90's. She died of pneumonia.
The funeral was at a Lutheran church. I'm Catholic but open-minded when it comes to other denominations and even other religions. I actively practice Buddhism and have a lot of respect for most other denominations of Christians as well as Hindus, Wiccans, Muslims, and most other religions. There are very few that I do not like.
Anyway, I've decided that whenever I have to do something like this where it's at a church other than my own and they offer communion, I have decided to take it without any remorse. I believe that I am worshiping God regardless of denomination. I know this will seem like a shock to some, but it's my view on it. I was very, very surprised at how similar the Lutheran service was to my own Catholic mass. I've been to a Baptist service but it was very different than I am accustomed to.
So after attending to the funeral, I have decided to be an advocate for religious understanding and tolerance. I don't like using the word 'tolerance' because it sounds like I'm saying there's something wrong with other religions or denominations of Christianity. This is what I really mean by all of this:
As Christians we are taught to practice unconditional love. However, I'm starting to notice that some denominations of Christianity express ignorance and hatred toward other denominations and other religions. I can explain this based on my own experiences from going to a Catholic high school - one of my teachers told us that Buddhists worship Buddha. After doing my own research, I'm learning that this isn't really true - Buddhists HONOR the Buddha as a teacher. He was never a god, rather he was a human being that achieved enlightenment. It's much like how we as Catholics honor Mary. I've often been attacked by other denominations who ask, "Why do you worship statues of Mary?" For one, we don't worship statues, we simply use them as tools toward our prayer. We know who we are worshiping. Secondly, we understand that Mary was a human being, not a god. So we honor her and pray to her because she gave birth to Jesus. It's a similar concept for Buddhists.
The point of this blog anyway is that I think people have become very misguided on what they have been taught to believe. Some Christians tend to take quotes from the Bible and say that they can explain a certain topic, and they tend to defend that so strongly. But they lose the original message that the words were trying to say in the Bible. You can practically explain anything by taking words out of context from the Bible. By doing things like this, I've seen that people love to point fingers at others who they deem as 'non-believers' and tell them they're going to Hell if they don't join their particular denomination.
Look, I can understand that they are trying to save anyone and everyone by preaching like this, but quite frankly, who are they to say where anyone is going? It's not their choice. It's God's. When I see people preaching in this way, I don't see them as helping, but rather I tend to see them as elitist and, quite frankly, snobby. I am actually ashamed that as a Christian I am in the same religion as those who preach this way. It's this anger and ignorance that fuels religious intolerance.
This issue of religion vs religion is often what leads to conflict, chaos, and war. I think if we all as humans had a better understanding of religions outside of our own, some of these conflicts can be avoided.
What can we do to break these barriers? For one, it really helps to practice unconditional love. I've got a better understanding of this after learning from Buddhism - I actually understand Christianity better by the teachings from Buddhism. It's very surprising how the two go hand-in-hand, they follow many of the same morals and guidelines. When you see someone walking down the street, no matter who they are, instead of judging them or thinking a certain way about them, rather smile to them, say "Hello" or "Good Morning" when you pass by. You won't believe how this simple act of kindness will affect someone. Someone did this for me once and it really made my day, and it wasn't anyone I knew at all. Another thing you can do is say a silent prayer for them, "May this person be free of suffering." It's something I learned from Buddhism, to pray for those 'neutral' to us.
Another thing we can do to promote religious understanding is to do a little research on another religion. Learn from them, learn who they are and what they do. You'll soon discover that they are not unlike yourself. Wiccans, for example, worship deities that represent the Earth, Nature, the Wilderness, and so on. They are a very misunderstood religion as many people believe they worship the Devil, practice evil, and are out there to harm you, but rather after my experiences with them, I can safely say that they are among the nicest and friendliest people I have ever met. Many of them are environmentalists and humanitarians themselves. So I recommend choosing a religion or denomination that you do not understand and do a little research on what they're all about. While it may not be the most reliable source, wikipedia.org is a good starting point.
And lastly, just have an open mind. When you research another religion or denomination, don't feel threatened by them. Rather say to yourself, "I'm learning about them to better understand them. They may not believe the same things I do but that does not make them wrong for practicing this. It was what they chose to believe, just as I chose to believe (your religion)." When you adopt this sense of an open mind, you'll discover that many of your misconceptions (or even hatred and anger if you had any) toward this other religion will dissolve. You may even want to try adopting a healthy part of their lifestyle into your own customs. I practice Buddhist meditation as it helps me clear my mind and calm down whenever I am getting tense. I also have a tarot deck and a rune set, used for Wiccan and Druid practices, that I use whenever I'd like to see what may be in store for me. I don't take the readings from them as my fate, but rather I consider the possibility as something that may happen in the future. Just be open minded about it all.
As the Beatles would say, "All you need is love." We are taught to love one another, and I think religious understanding may be the first step toward global peace.
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I now understand that even though I have been trying to be open-minded, I was still judging others, especially members of my own religion. I had terrible misconceptions of how Baptists are. I often shook my head at them, thinking they were too strict or had bad views on others. I thought they were judgmental toward anyone who 'wasn't them'.
I now understand that through my thoughts, I was judging, which was not what I wanted.
I understand that they simply have a different view. They are a tight community, and the reason they often preach on the streets and shout God's word is only because they want to help others see God's salvation. I may not agree with their methods, but who am I to judge? If they condemn me for not being a part of their church, they just don't know how I see the world.
Thich Nhat Hanh wrote that "Anger always goes together with confusion and ignorance." This could not be more true. I have seen it with my own eyes, both from others and especially from myself. Remember my misconceptions of wolves? I thought they were just killing machines, that's why I hated them so much. But now I understand them so much better, that they are vital to ecology, and that they need deer just as much as deer need them.
In one of my darkest times, a Baptist came to my side and consoled me - my grandmother. She knew the right words to say, "There is always hope." Now I understand that she was right, as soon the things I was troubled with were fixed, and I didn't have anything to worry about after all.
So here is my oath. I vow never to judge others by their beliefs, regardless of what they follow. I was raised my way, and they were raised theirs, so who am I to say they are wrong to do what they do?*
This includes Atheists, who just like Baptists I had judged because I was misguided. I understand now that they see things differently, they simply do not believe a god created the universe, and I have better thoughts on them now that I have actually met and interacted with some of them (I know a good portion of the TEF community are Atheists). I'll keep an open mind with them as well.
If I ever said anything that was offensive, biased, ignorant, misunderstood, or simply judgmental toward the religion you happen to follow and hurt your feelings, I am truly sorry. I did not see the light, and did not practice what God has told me and what I have learned from the Buddha - to love everyone unconditionally. Please forgive me for being ignorant and judgmental.
As the Buddhists say, "Light and Love."
Track for now, will come back
Track for now, will come back later and leave an actual comment (since I'm in class right now xD).You make great points, Quad. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. It truly is sad how some people use religion as an excuse to discriminate against views they disagree with. I wish more people thought like you, the world certainly would be a better place.
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Religion fascinates me, and
And though I've kind of inched out of that for no reason other than I expanded my mind further and decided to just not be a major part of any organized religion, parts of it still color my every-day life. For one, my intense, intense love of Indian food, haha! Learning a lot about India's history and culture, which I never knew about til I became interested in Hinduism, and falling in love with a lot of the art and music. Last is the way I view God and pray. Pujas(poo-jah) are little rituals you would do for the gods, or a particular deity you were devoted to, to thank them for something, to pray, etc. I remember a major part of my Shiva puja was to offer different things to Shiva and thank him for blessing me with that thing in my every day life(a small bit of food in gratitude for having abundant food, decorating the deity and thanking them for the beauty around you all the time in the world, lighting camphor in gratitude for dispelling darkness and evil, etc). That definitely colored the way I look at things, and what I consider myself grateful and blessed for, which is every little thing, no matter how minor. I'm glad you're discovering the same things in your own way
Thank you Quad for expressing
Each person must discover his or her beliefs in his or her own ways, but I think you've provided some good information for people that may feel lost and unsure how to proceed.
Thanks for the comments, I
Zyzzy - That is awesome that you are influenced by Hinduism and Indian culture. I am very similar with Buddhism and Far-East culture, but I would love to learn more about Hinduism as well. I know it has a few similarities to Buddhism but other than that I don't know a whole lot about it. Thank you for the comment, and maybe soon I'll do some research to better understand the Hindu culture.
Trigger - A book I read by Pema Chodron called "The Places That Scare You" talks about the Buddhist ideas of mindfulness and 'letting go'. It really helped me understand other people and learn many practices on being open-minded as well as breaking my barriers of fear and worrying that I was doing something wrong by learning about other religions. I will admit, it is a very difficult state to get to, especially when you've grown up with certain beliefs. I hope I can help others get to this state of acceptance and open-mindfulness, it has made me see the world in an entirely different way. Thanks for the comment
Truly, thank you for sharing
^ I second Anjali completely.
I'm not religious, but I
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People have always got hung
May the wolf spirits walk along your path!
Many people have shut the
I'm a Christian,but I do believe in other things.Energy so to speak,everyone and everthing has an energy.It is a theory of mine that we as humans can be influenced by it.Meditation clears the mind and relieves stress.If we all could take in positive other culteral experiences,we definitely would not be as close minded
I often notice with the Chinese culture so to speak celebrates symbols,like the dragon.
Here I find it fascinatning because the dragon to the people mean so many things.
I could go on and on,but perhaps it would bore you.Any -how I'm glad you wrote about this.
I'm commenting on this entry
He's only 12 years old and already so opinionated about religion. This is one of those cases I mentioned where someone thinks they can explain everything by taking Bible quotes out of context. And what makes me laugh is the language he uses in his comments. He is too young to have this kind of a mouth:
"F*** YOU, f*** OFF. F***ing d*** Jew."
"F*** YOU YOU'RE GOING TO F***ING HELL YOU F***ing ***HOLE OF F***ING SATAN S***!"
"You're going to hell for f***ing claiming yourself as your own God and for reading The Satanic Bible."
"Don't f***ing make fun of me you F***ING ***holes."
"DON'T F***ING MAKE FUN OF ME OR I WILL KILL YOU ALL AND BE SENT TO HELL WITH YOU."
...sigh...it's actually kind of heartwrenching to me that there are kids out there like him. It makes me wonder what his parents spoonfed him into believing.
This is the link to his Youtube channel.... You'll see I commented a couple of times on his videos, which probably won't do anything, but I just wanted to speak my mind about this. I've got a headache now because of this kid.
This'll be fun
In response to first post. I
For example I have been attacked for things. I am having a brain fart right now though so forgive me if my English is bad lol I will just describe to the best of my ability the thoughts this thread has brought out. Starting with the being attacked thing. I see many people in this thread speak of how they have taken something from multiple spiritual and or religious philosophies? Areas? Disciplines? In any case I do not practice multiple. I hold to one faith. That of following Jesus. I believe what the bible says and I follow it as best I can. I believe that certain things are right or wrong contrary to popular belief. I have conviction for things despite someone telling me that it is all right. That may be unclear and fuzzy point so let me give an example.
Like the kid in the video I believe homosexuality is wrong because of what God said. Yet I do not judge. I do not hate. My best friend is gay. I simply have an unerasable conviction for it that makes me fear for the well being of those who are homosexual. I believe that above all else God is what we need and can bring more joy than anything else and is the only way. Am I going to force this belief on others? No but under that premise and belief would you not want to at least tell the people you care about that something they are doing might get in the way of closeness with God? I at least state it once as I am now.
Yet The kind of open-mindedness I strive for is not to change my beliefs to be acceptable to everyone. Not to change everything about what I do or say so as not to "offend someone." No I simply love a person regardless of whether I think they are right or wrong. I hold to my convictions and therefore I do not see why others would not. But if the only way to be open minded is to be right, and the only way to be right is to be politically correct or be unable to express personal conviction and belief... Then count me out. I'm not going to play games with people and I don't expect them to play them with me. If someone doesnt agree with me I am 100% okay with that. I welcome diversity but I do not hold diversity and "well roundedness" as the only ideal or the only good.
Take the kid in the video for example. He is immature. He is highly opinionated and biased. He should not be on YouTube for he does not have the will endurance and judgement to deal with people from around the world about such a controversial subject. He does not fully understand the subject he speaks of and I believe he is just parroting what he hears from other people. But this is the Internet. It's called click on another link and I seriously hope someone has something better to do than troll a stupid kid. I have not read all the comments but from the quote posted in an above post I believe the only trolling that should be done against him should be done for such ignorant furious outbursts. But truthfully I do not believe that originally his intentions were meant to be taken as offensive. He was the opposite of being politically correct but he was not trying to start a fight or anything of the sort. He was I hope simply filled with conviction and spirit and hoped to do good by telling others of his convictions. I am just sorry he was simply parroting and sorry for what it has devolved into. For his sake and that of others I hope he leaves YouTube.
I just wish people could disagree on something and still love each other. That's what tolerance is. That's what true love is. Loving and welcoming even if it's something you are against.
...-reads over post- I am so dead. Lol...
"Like the kid in the video I
[ opinion ] I'm just going to be up front about my feelings for you right now.
I do not like you. I do not like people like you. I think you're ignorant and people like you make me sick. [ /opinion ]
I had written more but then I deleted it.
Enjoy.
I do agree with your comment
But after learning from Buddhism and Zen, I'm starting to understand the idea of 'everyone chooses to be who they are'. I may not like what someone believes, but that doesn't mean I'm going to tell them they're wrong. I may not like certain animals (tigers, for example), but in the same respect people who like tigers may not like deer. But that doesn't mean I'm going to hate them for it. It's our differences that make us closer, I think.
One of my best friends is openly gay, and also religiously is a Druid. And he's one of the nicest and most thoughtful people I have ever met. Some people would immediately point their fingers and tell him he's going to hell because of who he is without ever getting the chance to speak with him and learn how polite and kind he is. It's these people I cannot stand.
Anyway, thanks for the comment. Glad to hear someone else's thoughts on this, haha!
@quad Thank you for reading
Quote from your post...
"But after learning from Buddhism and Zen, I'm starting to understand the idea of 'everyone chooses to be who they are'. I may not like what someone believes, but that doesn't mean I'm going to tell them they're wrong. I may not like certain animals (tigers, for example), but in the same respect people who like tigers may not like deer. But that doesn't mean I'm going to hate them for it. It's our differences that make us closer, I think."
-Indeed. We all choose our own path, and if we hated someone for their decision then we might as well hate ourselves for we are all the same in that aspect. Much of such philosophy I find to be non-contradictory with the teachings and convictions of the holy spirit.
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'nother quote from you...
"One of my best friends is openly gay, and also religiously is a Druid. And he's one of the nicest and most thoughtful people I have ever met. Some people would immediately point their fingers and tell him he's going to hell because of who he is without ever getting the chance to speak with him and learn how polite and kind he is. It's these people I cannot stand."
-I dislike such people as well. I agree with you here, though too often when trying to explain my views people cannot distinguish me from this category of extremists. It's understandable, for I am not the best at communication anyways... The best way to describe my view on this...
If I believe something someone does is wrong, it simply means I believe it would be harmful to them. Therefore I worry. There's only so much I can do, and after explaining my beliefs about a relationship with God... well... All I can do is just love them like anyone else. And to continue along that same line of thought: your comment on that kid's youtube page.
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"Kid, it's God's decision where people are going, not yours. And quite frankly, we don't need a child 'educating' us on religion. Let people decide on their own what religion? they want to follow. "
-With emphasis on the first sentence.
For those who have misunderstood or are curious... here is an example of the kind of philosophy I hold... Of how I can see something as wrong and not judge someone for it. This is a STORY and is not based on an actual happening, but it is based on how I want something to happen this way.
Someone comes to my house. I open the door and there is a foreign man standing there.
"Hello. I am a follower of the (for humor's sake and the possibility something might exist with a cool sounding name I might make up...) Giant Potato Kitten Factory Leader, also known as GPKFL. Have you heard about us?"
Confused, but curious, I would say, "No. What is all this about?"
He looks excited and continues, "Well, I have alot to say."
So I invite him in and we sit down and talk. I ask him about what he has to say and he starts off his story. "You see, the GPKFL has become a huge power recently, but not many know of him. In the not so distant future, the GPKFL will rule the world! But by that time, the pollution and health concerns will be so high, that people will not live past 20 or 30 on their own! But the GPKFL has a plan to give everyone a cure and resistance to all pollution and diseases, and can actually let you live forever."
Surprised, I ask, "How is this possible?" I am intrigued.
He eagerly responds, "Well, it's quite amazing really. Through the use of energy and magic, if you devote your entire being to the GPKFL then it opens your body and mind to his love and prepares you for the recieving of such cures and immune boosts."
An alarm goes off in my mind. I question cautiously, "By devoting my entire being... what does that mean?"
"Well the GPKFL is like a god, and he cares about you; you need to have faith in him," he states in a soft voice.
Already I know I cannot be a follower, for I am a follower of another God, who I believe to be the one God. I know that I should not have any other gods before Him. Yet I see the earnesty in this man. I see he believes what he says, and that he is only trying to help; therefore I cannot be angry at him. There would be no doubt he would feel like he had done good had I accepted what he said and converted to a follower of the GPKFL. I wanted him to be happy, but I could not throw away the love of my God simply for this fact. I believed this man believed what he said, and even if this GPKFL actually could do all of that, my God's concern was with the fate of more than just the body. Just as eager as this man was to help me, I was eager to help him. Therefore, I explain to him my faith. He politely listened to the Truth as it was to me, and then coolly responded,
"Well the truth is, afterlifes do not exist. the GPKFL therefore wants to make our lives here as long as possible."
And thus, we began to understand, sadly, that the other had their own beliefs and could not be swayed. Our beliefs were mutually exclusive. But though we both thought the other to be lost, to be refusing something we thought was the best way... And so from then on we did not push the subject. We had each stated our beliefs and concerns, without compromise, and still without controversy. For my believing in my God does not change his belief in his GPKFL. From then on we become friends...
Just because I dont sit there and pat his back and say, "Ohh well I know that would work, I know he's real, mhm yes that makes so much sense." does not mean I was intolerant in any way, or that he was for stating his beliefs as facts. I was completely honest with him in saying what I believed and that i would not believe in his. But I did not attack him for his own belief, nor did he attack me. This is how I seek to exist, and the calm rational and loving way I wish others to be able to act as even in the midst of complete disagreement.
For the edification of anyone who is curious or who does not understand, this above story shows how someone can still be strong in their beliefs... "I believe this is the only way." "I believe THIS is the only way." "Well I think there is more than one way." All three sides of that... can co-exist. But even the "I believe there is more than one way," can be intolerant when they are intolerant of those believing in only one way. Its not so much what you believe, even if what you believe would make someone else upset if your belief turned out to be true, and vice versa... but how you treat those who have different beliefs.
I hope I have been clear.
Also, @ Matthieu
I am glad you are being up front and honest. I understand why you dislike me. For the reasons that you do, I am GLAD you dislike me. It's people like you that have seen the effects of the kinds of intolerance I am against. Whether it was against you, or someone you know, you seek to stand up against it and protect yourself and others from it. For that I am very glad, and if you still see me as the kind of person you dislike as such, then continue on.
I now understand that even
I now understand that through my thoughts, I was judging, which was not what I wanted.
I understand that they simply have a different view. They are a tight community, and the reason they often preach on the streets and shout God's word is only because they want to help others see God's salvation. I may not agree with their methods, but who am I to judge? If they condemn me for not being a part of their church, they just don't know how I see the world.
Thich Nhat Hanh wrote that "Anger always goes together with confusion and ignorance." This could not be more true. I have seen it with my own eyes, both from others and especially from myself. Remember my misconceptions of wolves? I thought they were just killing machines, that's why I hated them so much. But now I understand them so much better, that they are vital to ecology, and that they need deer just as much as deer need them.
In one of my darkest times, a Baptist came to my side and consoled me - my grandmother. She knew the right words to say, "There is always hope." Now I understand that she was right, as soon the things I was troubled with were fixed, and I didn't have anything to worry about after all.
So here is my oath. I vow never to judge others by their beliefs, regardless of what they follow. I was raised my way, and they were raised theirs, so who am I to say they are wrong to do what they do?*
This includes Atheists, who just like Baptists I had judged because I was misguided. I understand now that they see things differently, they simply do not believe a god created the universe, and I have better thoughts on them now that I have actually met and interacted with some of them (I know a good portion of the TEF community are Atheists). I'll keep an open mind with them as well.
If I ever said anything that was offensive, biased, ignorant, misunderstood, or simply judgmental toward the religion you happen to follow and hurt your feelings, I am truly sorry. I did not see the light, and did not practice what God has told me and what I have learned from the Buddha - to love everyone unconditionally. Please forgive me for being ignorant and judgmental.
As the Buddhists say, "Light and Love."
*Yes, I understand that in some cases, there can be wrongdoing such as human sacrifice, torture, ect. But I will let the law handle that instead of being angry with it myself.
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I think it is a good practice to research what you don't understand. I was really fearful of the 'power' of tarot cards until I bought one and now realize that it's not as spooky and creepy as people make it out to be.
So I wanted to say if you feel like trying this out, take some time and research a religion you don't understand so well or would like to learn more about. I think you'll realize that we're all very similar in our morals and practices.