T-t-t-RACK.

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-Insta-like.-

Fff 8D

I think.. my eyes have just fallen out. That title is a real screamer.
Track ♥

Xenomorphs are such graceful creatures, aren´t they? <3
Face-huggers not so much....
Looking awesome. <3<3

O.O
*hugs it*

Seriously: he looks legit.

Which explains the CHAOS right now. He could care less about the other deer in that group. He just wants to chase Tzipporah. So, he's doing what he knows: he's trying to herd her away.

So keeping track is the same thing as threatening a deer that's doing nothing to hurt anyone? Whereas several of your 'herd' have blatantly attacked him?

I apologize. I thought the point of creating this character was to create this sort of reaction. I misinterpreted :3 So to clarify, he is NOT going to eat Tzi?

Edit: I love this scenario either way >> Eating Tzi or not. I'm not complaining.

Like Fin said, several of the deer are just protecting those who are injured. Yes, they are going to be suspicious of a deer - any deer - which is circling them repeatedly, and possibly try to run him/her off.
Circling a group - herding - is often a hunting tactic, and it's going to put characters on edge.
I apologize if my deer's actions have offended you. I have no hard feelings, regardless.

Everyone here has used prior knowledge of the creature you used to create your deer, and your alien has given us no reason to correct this presumption. This is our mistake, I think.

But even so, this is very in character. If it were out of character, all of our deer would be happily dancing with your large-, sharp-fanged deer :3 Since it is in-character, our deer are acting on the fact that your deer has large, sharp teeth and is circling us like a predator.

The character you have created looks and is presently acting like a predator; While there are severely wounded deer about, how could one not expect those of us whose deer are not wounded to protect those who are? Your character has circled us, and you've designed you character to look like an alien and so circling like it was, my deer for one, found reason to attack. Please remember this is all in character.

To build on what Fincayra was saying, in a game built upon judging bodily reactions, sometimes you have to read into things. Simple things like circling and chasing, when done by a deer that looks frightening, can turn into a violent gesture. The deer were acting out of fear.

I feel like this is largely my fault. Tzipporah was curious, so she followed your alien. When it started chasing her, she became scared. She ran back to deer she hoped would protect her. They judged her distress, saw your deer's appearance, and inferred from there. (Edit: This is my best guess. I'm not trying to put words in others' mouths.)

I'm sorry if you're reading all of these events as something ooc, but it really isn't.

"and yet you all rush to challenge him, then you all rush here to defend your actions and say it's all in game."
I would also like to point out that many of the healthy deer in this group have been fending off almost every deer who has circled the group for the past two days, regardless of appearance, in order to protect the ones who are wounded. If they've circled, they've been watched and run off.
This isn't something we've done out of assumption. Your deer's getting the same treatment as every other deer - "sparkly" or non - who's come by and been perceived, ICly, as a potential threat.

Okay. I'm sorry, but this is starting to get silly.

When did we learn what your deer was up to? When he started circling and chasing Tzipporah. As players, most of us try to keep our characters realistic to a deer's natural instincts. A deer can sense when something is wrong. Kyoan was behaving strangely, so they felt threatened. It has nothing to do with what I know about Kyoan from reading this biography. My character is smart enough to know when a strange creature is up to no good.

And who is to say the Lich King hasn't been treated the same way? I know many characters of TEF regard him with suspicion and, ultimately, dislike for his cold personality and intimidating appearance. Heck, Eli is a target of this same kind of uncertainty. He has dealt with the same thing Kyoan is dealing with now. So I don't know why you're trying to compare your character to Eli and the Lich King, if they all have been treated in this kind of way.

Most of the characters on this hill right now are reacting to your character's behavior and appearance. If the Lich King approached right now and started circling, I can guarantee that he would also be attacked. The fact that our characters have no idea what Kyoan is gives them reason to be on the guard.

Eli has made friends. It took him a long time, though, because he looks so menacing. You can't expect us to immediately like and trust your deer with an appearance like that. It takes time. And yes, this is all completely IC. All of it.

No one said you were a horrible person nor annoying. We were only pointing out the facts and explaining the reasons for our deer's actions. How it worked in character and why. In no way was this meant to be an attack on you personally nor are we saying we do not want to play with you.

This is my last post on the subject. Take it as you will.

Hey, it's okay. Really. ♥ I'm sorry for starting something.. I know my first comment was not all that friendly. I hope we'll still get to see more of Kyoan. He's a very intriguing character; fighting aside, I've been observing his behavior and I have to say I am very impressed. His lack of proper social communication is very unique. Intimidating, yes, but unique.

I'm sorry for all of this..
I really do like your character. <3

"pose a valid, adult argument with examples"
No one has opposed this. Both sides have presented valid, adult arguments with reasonably level heads, and you are entitled to that.
No one has said you are in the wrong; we've only explained why what happened, happened, and why it was reasonably in-character for our deer, in an effort to smooth out the conflict so that this community continues to get along in the way we all admire.

At any rate, I'll withdraw as well. Good night.

This needed to end when you said, "The end. Argument over."
No need to bring Tway back into it. (:

I'm sorry you are feeling sore about our IC actions. We meant no harm, truly.

Actually, I brought that up for a very valid reason. Yes, someone did attack me. She went out of her way to call me immature - and then a post later, she said: Please don't be that way. Your have an amazing character, et cetera et cetera. No one said you were annoying. No one on this group attacked you and you're acting like they did. We were defending ourselves and stating reasonable arguments that you're obviously not responding openly to. That's your choice.

Can someone please tell me where I acted like I was feeling like I was attacked? Can someone please show me how I didn't respond openly?

Where was I immature? Where was I rude, or throwing a temper tantrum?

I do not think you were rude or throwing a tantrum at all. Overall, this was handled very maturely.
It sounds like the issue is between you and Tway now. Though, I would advise that we end it there. I don't want to see anyone get hurt anymore.

Oh my. We're pointing fingers now? Listen Kyoan. Yes I called you immature and I picked on you for not being open- or so I saw it. I didn't feel you were being open because when we're speaking to you, I feel every single thing we say, however reasonable our argument, is bouncing off you like a brick wall and you're not drinking in or considering any of it.

That was total openness from me, just trying to tell you how I feel right now so we can better understand each other. I felt you were acting immaturely because in my opinion -mine only- you're taking this one little mishap in the Forest so seriously that now we've crapped up this whole page with it.
Maturity wise, you singling me out right now to continue lecturing doesn't do anything for your image either.
As Fin stated, when you said this needed to end, it needed to end then and there. Why continue? This is getting very silly now.

Now, we were both wrong. We misjudged you and in turn, please don't deny that you also misjudged us and our actions. I'm sorry things came to play out this way and I'm sorry I was rude to you.
Don't act like we were attacking you here. I have stepped out of line in calling you immature, but no one else did.
My stepping out of line aside, we're all having a reasonable discussion with reasonable points on both sides; no one was attacking you. There is a massive difference between a calm discussion and a bunch of people ganging up on one person. We weren't ganging up on you. You were included in this discussion, you see? There is no need to act like we were attacking you.

Now I've officially apologized to you, promised you your character will not be judged wrongly by myself again and hopefully ended this dispute between us.

The morning after:

So now that I am fully awake, fully cognizant and capable of apparently stringing together more coherent thoughts, let's broach this a bit more rationally.

First of all: at no point did I take any of this personally. In order for me to have really taken it personally, I'd've had to know all of you as people - which I don't. So I am not mad at anyone. I feel that's the most important thing to state here, first and foremost. I may have been a bit vaguely annoyed, but not so much at any one individual, but the circumstances around the situation itself.

Secondly: I try my very best, in all things, to be a rational, mature adult in situations like this. I do not name-call, I do not stoop to profanity. I try to see all sides of the story. Having said that, after rereading the comments between all parties, myself included, it seems that basically, there was a failure to communicate myself as I would like to have done. I made a point, yes, and a valid point, but I never really said that I understood the point you were all trying to make. For that, I'm sorry. I came off as defensive, which was not quite what I intended.

I understood that your deer were injured and thus on the defense against what they thought was an offensive attack. I grasp that Kyoan is dangerous looking. I will admit that, yes, technically speaking, he's carnivorous and that pretty much slaps a 'predator' label on him.

I suppose what I was trying to say all along(and didn't quite have the right words until, oh, 12 noon today? ._. Thanks, brain) was this:

Just because he's a predatory doesn't necessarily make him a threat at that moment. Why my brain couldn't say that last night, I'll never know, but it doesn't matter - as your deer were, indeed, reacting to what they perceived as a threat and Kyoan was just reacting according to how he views the world - which is very different from how a deer would.

Someone mentioned that, had he perhaps made a gesture such as bowing or something, that would've explained his intentions, their deer wouldn't've attacked him. While that's great in theory, it doesn't really work for Kyoan. I'm not making excuses, mind you - merely explaining.

Lastly: In regards to Tway: Did I feel miffed at being called immature? Of course - I think anyone would have been. I personally felt that the whole 'not listening to what we were saying' was a two way street. I personally felt that I was using examples of similar typical behavior, and no one was listening to me either.

Did I feel like I was being attacked? Not personally - in the case of my own person being attacked. Nor did I feel like I was being ganged up on, per se. From where I sat, it simply seemed as if two people had a disagreement and all of a sudden, a bunch of other people came to one side's defense, and no one was really listening to what the other person had to say. That is how I felt.

You thought I wasn't listening, and I thought none of you were listening. Again - I will admit that I never really stated I heard you - I did. I do not think, however, that it warranted calling me immature. I personally feel that you could've stated your grievance(that is, what you thought was me not listening), without resorting to calling me names. You obviously felt different, however, and you're entitled to your opinion.

I now consider this matter cleared up. We've all stated our peaces and made our respective agreements. I hope I've explained myself sufficiently. Hopefully this won't happen again, and should it, perhaps I'll explain myself a little better in the future.