Enough your harassment and leave our characters alone. If you can't act maturely about interactions without the need to troll, you will be ignored from now on.
^Woah now. Not all demons hunt, are out there to kill others to get their souls and that stuff.
Get some widespread knowledge and not from one character's biography. And understand stereotypes don't always work.
—
"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard
Pulchra, it works in the case we are discussing. We do not talk about demons in general, but talk about a particular "pack," how tell us the title of this post.
I agree with a lot of the this thread and I'm happy it was made.
Because not only has this group been attacking and appearing not to take damage, they also taunted and targeted Azalea's birthing scene. Causing one hell of a mess. I can get the usual scrap, but running back and forth with your friends, coming back to stand around on Azalea and her little ones, wasn't exactly the best of choice. Many of your actions have been considered random and rude and without end, which is no wonder as to why you were dubbed as a bunch of "trolls".
If you attack a group, don't expect to be let off easily. And when the actions dubbed as "trolling" come into the picture, there's either a chance that the characters will relentlessly attack yours or ignore you. Take your pick.
I play a demon character. Just because they're a demon does not mean she's invincible. Sure, she's immortal, but she can still be obliterated. There are other characters here that come back with time. If she gets hurt, she's down for a while. Same goes for my big brute, Asriel, that your characters got the chance to meet full force that day. Yeah, he thinks he's big and bad, but he gets hurt. He's had a close encounter with death before.
Stalking a group is going to give them a possible bad vibe about your character. If one taunts or throws angry emotes at you, this isn't toward your "clan" that your character may have. How would they know about your clan? They're more than likely telling you to back off or to leave them alone. They may not even want to fight. You ever consider that?
Here's an even better note:
Look at other's bios before coming into contact with them. They may have reasons as to why they're acting the way they are. And if not, there is always room to ask in the comment section.
Because not only has this group been attacking and appearing not to take damage, they also taunted and targeted Azalea's birthing scene. Causing one hell of a mess. I can get the usual scrap, but running back and forth with your friends, coming back to stand around on Azalea and her little ones, wasn't exactly the best of choice. Many of your actions have been considered random and rude and without end, which is no wonder as to why you were dubbed as a bunch of "trolls".
Unless it is planned beforehand, that is just not cool.
Charrusekt, your statement of the facts interesting. If we consider that our characters without any intention stopped nearby, and on them began to boo, snort and stomp their feet. That is, your character has the right react, but responsiveness "it's too much?" looks like a policy of double standards. Especially because no one started a fight on our side, it began one of those who was in your group. So do not think it is appropriate here to discuss anything in a similar vein.
If also take into account that not every fight starts with clan actions.
No one starting a fight? That's funny. I have a few, maybe more, who would say otherwise.
You coming up to my group of friends, taunting, stalking, and circling, and then rushing at us is going to be considered not "too much", but enough for everyone to go after you.
It's not my fault you didn't know what was going on. Again, hence why it's a good idea to read before doing. Kind of like thinking before leaping. My character reacted the way he would given if any other predator approached that wasn't welcome.
Antagonizing someone into fighting you is starting a fight. What you just said your group was doing was antagonizing the other deer. Don't do that and nobody is going to want to retaliate.
Everyone's pretty much said anything that I'd want to add, so, gonna sit back and keep an eye on this. Dridro, I'm very impressed about how maturely you're handling this - I think it's great that you're willing to work with the other people here to try and find a "middle" ground or a compromise. More often than not, that's not the case when an issue like this arises, so props to you for that! ^^
Charrusekt. We just stayed close by, and "circling" Duke began only when he saw at him begin to react negatively. Would not have started react - would not get a response.
And yes, not all fights begins clan. This is also a well known fact.
Duke began only when he saw at him begin to react negatively. Would not have started react - would not get a response.
and this
but it is the concept of the character - to hunt and attack?
This leads back to what everyone else is saying. If you're going to hunt and/or attack someone, then doing it is going to annoy others and you're going to possibly get attacked. In doing so, your character must retain damage; hence In-Character Actions. Relentlessly attacking others without appearing to take this damage is why you and your buddies are being called out.
You're obviously not really getting the point, and it seems as much as anyone tries to explain this to you, you're still not going to get it.
I believe I've said all that there is to say. I'd only be repeating things others and I have already said to you.
[e] If you're going to contact people, then do so by either adding them on Skype or commenting below their biographies. In forest actions, and even text, don't hold a tone of voice, so either or can be taken the opposite way they're meant to be taken.
Charrusekt, your characters at that time could not know the line of conduct of our characters, as well as those who prey and attack dont making it always.
And from that time none of the members of your group was not attacked.
I've found with all those who were ready to dialogue, I do not need your repetition, as well as unfounded accusations. Thank you.
On the one hand, if it is in character for this group (and they do genuinely seem to be characters, despite any metagaming that may have happened) to hunt others, a birth is a grand time for that. I understand that plots are important and usually exist around births and such things, but spontanaeity is sort of the basis for tef and it has been a little lost over the years as the TEFc becomes more center-of-focus. Not everything goes smoothly. Not everything is a fairytale. If I still had a demon-y hunter character, I don't doubt he would loom around birth events. Perhaps not attack outright or goad the family into attacking him, whatever, but he would be there. Watching, probably stalking.
And it's okay if your character has little to no sense of self preservation, too, and if they are such driven hunters or so devoted to their group that they fight relentlessly. But at the same time, fighting relentlessly does not mean remaining at the same levels of strength, even if the character in question is supernatural. I understand that Dridro's character is hurt, so I do agree that he should at least act like it. Even if he does not feel pain, his body will be weakened from excessive fighting. Or if he is not weakened, he will at least feel immense pain and want to stop, etc. For a while, at least, he should refrain from combat for the sake of fairness for all people involved. There will be some days where he must lie around and not do much, because that's what you do when you are so injured. You don't go looking for more trouble.
And if he dies, maybe he can come back after a short amount of time. It's happened here plenty of times. Though I really doubt your character will die, and it can be scary and a bit sad, it won't be the end of the world! But this goes for everyone involved.
Obviously consent is something of an issue. While spontaneous fights are really no issue to me and I don't think they should be, everyone has the right to come out and say no. This is aimed at both parties: If you want to pull your character out of an IC situation that will get them hurt, don't have them react ICly with violence telling the other character to stop. The best course of action to say no is to completely ignore the person in question. Either by having your character continue doing what they are doing, or just lying down or listening until they go away, something like that will get the point across that your character is not getting involved in this sort of thing. Negate any damage that the character has 'done' to yours, but only if you have actually ignored them. If your character reacts with violence, then it's an IC fight and it should be treated as such. Don't let your OOC annoyance dictate your character's behaviour. I do understand that aggressive behaviour like that can be bothersome, but you either engage ICly because that's what your character would do or you ignore it. There is really no need to take it so incredibly seriously.
Raaaambling....
Yes, the forest is a peaceful place, but as I said before, it can't be like that all the time anymore. Plots get stale. In my opinion, what's the fun if you can't let some random things happen, whether they be brawls or whatever. Spontaneous interaction without player planning and the formation of cliques was the initial point of the forest.
TL;DR - While the thread in itself isn't hostile or extremely emotional, everyone needs to cool their jets. Don't get OOCly bent out of shape over how you choose to let your character respond ICly. Also you can't pick and choose on realism, if your character is so extremely injured, he must act injured; just like how if he is a hunter, he must act like a hunter.
Aaa, what Xemi and Terabetha said. I really respect and admire that you're handling this so well :c especially considering how swarmed it's getting; my earlier comment wasn't solely directed at you at all so no worries, I was assuming the other players of the clan were catching up on all of this since it involves them.
/slow
The current concept of your character is extreme in the violence direction, and therefore not suitable for the forest. What you need to do is to re-evaluate how aggressive the character is compared to what is logical. You cannot assume people will like this character or even you as a player if you continue to act this way. As you've seen here, people really want to give you the benefit of the doubt and help you to transform your character into something that still fits the 'demon' role while making it safe to interact with others.
I understand being nervous about changing your character in any way, but it will make your character more well-rounded and developed if you take into account the advice of others here with an open mind and apply as you see fit. Here is an example list:
Your character sees a character whom it doesn't like, but you don't know the player. Instead of immediately attacking or harassing that character, you could go ask the player if that is okay first.
Your character is fighting and at less than 50% health. Instead of continuing as if there is nothing wrong, eliminate the more 'powerful' attacks from its abilities and slow down its reaction time, just as any fighting creature would do when exhausted. Continue to take away abilities as the character gets harmed more, and when you get to... say... 20%, then your character runs away as a way to protect itself. Set a small period of time (3 days or so) where your character is healing and limping around. Have him try to avoid fighting during that time so that he doesn't die.
If you decide (yes, it is your decision!) that your character gets so angry and flies into a blind rage, make the conscious decision as a player to keep the rage to the characters you know it is safe to attack.
You don't have to follow everything, as they are just some suggestions I saw made by other people here.
One thing you do need to understand: If you can't adapt your character to the forest, don't play it here. It may just be too aggressive to be in the forest where people may get upset by it. You should be more concerned by how you are impacting others than how your character is going to attack someone you don't even know.
I know this may seem harsh, but it's the reality of the situation.
I won't get too involved here seeing as the thread seems to be slowing down now, but I'd like to just point out one thing
I've had two or three run-ins with the group in question and Dridro's deer, Duke was well played each time. So I commend them for that and for taking pretty much all of the heat on this thread that's directed at multiple people. ;;
Can't speak for anyone else but the issues I had were mainly with other characters involved in the group for the reasons others have mentioned already. (With Duke standing out as the only one I felt was taking damage and reacting to it then being affected by it after the fight.)
So it might be best to contact the other players on their bios, as Driodro can't do much more than speak for themselves, and the others aren't really doing their part in explaining their side of the story.
:c I'm sure the others involved are reading this though, so discussion might do some good.
Good evening. On the human rights who is personally familiar with Dridro, I think it is possible to leave a few words in this thread.
Although they are addressed to you personally. I do not understand why you are interfering in the topic that you personally in no way concerned, especially because of the first two pages of text it is obvious that Dridro come to some kind of consensus with those who were directly in interaction with his character.
So I do not understand why you put in the categorical form him the task of revising his character. Yes, there are certain rules of Community.
But not everyone wants to, and not everyone has to follow them, and fully shall be responsible for their choices. And as nobody has the right indicate to anyone that he should and what he should not do. Nobody has the right to teach what and how to understand. Everyone lives as life teaches.
So I do not understand why the "interaction" with no agreement is unacceptable behavior, but to intervene in a conversation that none of your business - acceptable behavior, as well as the imposition of opinions is the norm.
I am not for violence. I'm for freedom of choice.
If someone with someone does not want to communicate or interact with - do not do it. And it will be your choice. If someone annoys you in the game - ignore and it will be the best way to say "not now" or "never".
Everyone receives from playing his own pleasure in his own plane. And if you do not like it - do not cross with him. Or make something else.
Thank you for your attention.
Maybe I should delete this blog soon? My issue with them has been resolved, Dridro agreed to leave Aniu and his friends alone.. so.. I-I just didn't think this would become something big. ;; Sorry, I don't know what to do..
Rikka, I wouldn't concern yourself with it any further, but I would let them finish whatever discussions they have and delete it after it dies on its own. That way hopefully everyone can resolve this, whatever they have to resolve.
Dridro obviously wants to eliminate the issue from happening again. This is how this can be done. I tried to be as blunt as possible with how it can be achieved so that things turn out well for both parties.
I personally have nothing against Dridro and am only offering help where it was deemed necessary.
It is unacceptable behavior to interact without asking in a violent manner because it is negatively impacting others. This is why this thread was created in the first place. If the very lenient guidelines of the community are followed by those who choose to be a part of it, then things like this don't happen.
If you re-read the first two pages, it is clear near the end that Dridro does not seem to understand what has been done wrong in the second case of the issue: the birth. Dridro denies that there was any involvement, when clearly the group was attacked by this little 'clan' of predatory deer when it was not requested or welcomed.
Furthermore, it is very difficult to 'ignore' someone who is consistently causing a problem and refuses to relent, especially when the responsibility is put off on the player's character's behavior. A player dictates their character's behavior, plain and simple. This is where the "If you have any problems with my character or the way I play him/her please contact me at..." clause in nearly all biography disclaimers on this forum comes from. Consistent behavior like this turns into an annoyance that cannot be ignored any longer, and that is where posts like my good friend Rikka's come up.
I hope you now understand where I am coming from.
Thank you for your time.
I'd say don't delete the blog. This has been polite and mature and is a good reference point for any future stuff that happens so if more BS goes down you can always look back and be like hey, we talked about this before, *link.* And the thread should answer questions for anyone anywhere thinking about playing an aggressive character. This thread is an asset to the community, not detrimental in any way.
@RikkaChan} I believe you should keep this blog up due to all of the good points and mature argument done here that I would hate to see go to waste.
It is not like this blog was full of snapping and insults and the like.
The blog should stand as something important with things we and others can learn from in the future by reading it or coming back to it, plus it can come as great reference for whenever such situations should happen again.
And as Ali stated very well, this blog can answer questions for those who want to make demonic/aggressive characters and I believe this blog standing can be helpful for the community.
^Woah now. Not all demons
Get some widespread knowledge and not from one character's biography. And understand stereotypes don't always work.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard
Pulchra, it works in the case
I agree with a lot of the
Because not only has this group been attacking and appearing not to take damage, they also taunted and targeted Azalea's birthing scene. Causing one hell of a mess. I can get the usual scrap, but running back and forth with your friends, coming back to stand around on Azalea and her little ones, wasn't exactly the best of choice. Many of your actions have been considered random and rude and without end, which is no wonder as to why you were dubbed as a bunch of "trolls".
If you attack a group, don't expect to be let off easily. And when the actions dubbed as "trolling" come into the picture, there's either a chance that the characters will relentlessly attack yours or ignore you. Take your pick.
I play a demon character. Just because they're a demon does not mean she's invincible. Sure, she's immortal, but she can still be obliterated. There are other characters here that come back with time. If she gets hurt, she's down for a while. Same goes for my big brute, Asriel, that your characters got the chance to meet full force that day. Yeah, he thinks he's big and bad, but he gets hurt. He's had a close encounter with death before.
Stalking a group is going to give them a possible bad vibe about your character. If one taunts or throws angry emotes at you, this isn't toward your "clan" that your character may have. How would they know about your clan? They're more than likely telling you to back off or to leave them alone. They may not even want to fight. You ever consider that?
Here's an even better note:
Look at other's bios before coming into contact with them. They may have reasons as to why they're acting the way they are. And if not, there is always room to ask in the comment section.
Because not only has this
Unless it is planned beforehand, that is just not cool.
Charr pretty much covered it.
littlesinner: It wasn't.
Charrusekt, your statement of
If also take into account that not every fight starts with clan actions.
No one starting a fight?
You coming up to my group of friends, taunting, stalking, and circling, and then rushing at us is going to be considered not "too much", but enough for everyone to go after you.
It's not my fault you didn't know what was going on. Again, hence why it's a good idea to read before doing. Kind of like thinking before leaping. My character reacted the way he would given if any other predator approached that wasn't welcome.
Dridro, Antagonizing someone
Antagonizing someone into fighting you is starting a fight. What you just said your group was doing was antagonizing the other deer. Don't do that and nobody is going to want to retaliate.
Everyone's pretty much said
Charrusekt. We just stayed
And yes, not all fights begins clan. This is also a well known fact.
ApoideaBee, but it is the
Xemi, thanks anyway. It is in
It is in my interest to make contact with other people, I guess. It is a pity that this kind of misunderstanding happened.
Duke began only when he saw
and this
This leads back to what everyone else is saying. If you're going to hunt and/or attack someone, then doing it is going to annoy others and you're going to possibly get attacked. In doing so, your character must retain damage; hence In-Character Actions. Relentlessly attacking others without appearing to take this damage is why you and your buddies are being called out.
You're obviously not really getting the point, and it seems as much as anyone tries to explain this to you, you're still not going to get it.
I believe I've said all that there is to say. I'd only be repeating things others and I have already said to you.
[e] If you're going to contact people, then do so by either adding them on Skype or commenting below their biographies. In forest actions, and even text, don't hold a tone of voice, so either or can be taken the opposite way they're meant to be taken.
Charrusekt, your characters
And from that time none of the members of your group was not attacked.
I've found with all those who were ready to dialogue, I do not need your repetition, as well as unfounded accusations. Thank you.
On the one hand, if it is in
And it's okay if your character has little to no sense of self preservation, too, and if they are such driven hunters or so devoted to their group that they fight relentlessly. But at the same time, fighting relentlessly does not mean remaining at the same levels of strength, even if the character in question is supernatural. I understand that Dridro's character is hurt, so I do agree that he should at least act like it. Even if he does not feel pain, his body will be weakened from excessive fighting. Or if he is not weakened, he will at least feel immense pain and want to stop, etc. For a while, at least, he should refrain from combat for the sake of fairness for all people involved. There will be some days where he must lie around and not do much, because that's what you do when you are so injured. You don't go looking for more trouble.
And if he dies, maybe he can come back after a short amount of time. It's happened here plenty of times. Though I really doubt your character will die, and it can be scary and a bit sad, it won't be the end of the world! But this goes for everyone involved.
Obviously consent is something of an issue. While spontaneous fights are really no issue to me and I don't think they should be, everyone has the right to come out and say no. This is aimed at both parties: If you want to pull your character out of an IC situation that will get them hurt, don't have them react ICly with violence telling the other character to stop. The best course of action to say no is to completely ignore the person in question. Either by having your character continue doing what they are doing, or just lying down or listening until they go away, something like that will get the point across that your character is not getting involved in this sort of thing. Negate any damage that the character has 'done' to yours, but only if you have actually ignored them. If your character reacts with violence, then it's an IC fight and it should be treated as such. Don't let your OOC annoyance dictate your character's behaviour. I do understand that aggressive behaviour like that can be bothersome, but you either engage ICly because that's what your character would do or you ignore it. There is really no need to take it so incredibly seriously.
Raaaambling....
Yes, the forest is a peaceful place, but as I said before, it can't be like that all the time anymore. Plots get stale. In my opinion, what's the fun if you can't let some random things happen, whether they be brawls or whatever. Spontaneous interaction without player planning and the formation of cliques was the initial point of the forest.
TL;DR - While the thread in itself isn't hostile or extremely emotional, everyone needs to cool their jets. Don't get OOCly bent out of shape over how you choose to let your character respond ICly. Also you can't pick and choose on realism, if your character is so extremely injured, he must act injured; just like how if he is a hunter, he must act like a hunter.
Aaa, what Xemi and Terabetha
/slow
I think thelittleraven [ and
Dridro, you don't seem to
The current concept of your character is extreme in the violence direction, and therefore not suitable for the forest. What you need to do is to re-evaluate how aggressive the character is compared to what is logical. You cannot assume people will like this character or even you as a player if you continue to act this way. As you've seen here, people really want to give you the benefit of the doubt and help you to transform your character into something that still fits the 'demon' role while making it safe to interact with others.
I understand being nervous about changing your character in any way, but it will make your character more well-rounded and developed if you take into account the advice of others here with an open mind and apply as you see fit. Here is an example list:
You don't have to follow everything, as they are just some suggestions I saw made by other people here.
One thing you do need to understand: If you can't adapt your character to the forest, don't play it here. It may just be too aggressive to be in the forest where people may get upset by it. You should be more concerned by how you are impacting others than how your character is going to attack someone you don't even know.
I know this may seem harsh, but it's the reality of the situation.
I won't get too involved here
I've had two or three run-ins with the group in question and Dridro's deer, Duke was well played each time. So I commend them for that and for taking pretty much all of the heat on this thread that's directed at multiple people. ;;
Can't speak for anyone else but the issues I had were mainly with other characters involved in the group for the reasons others have mentioned already. (With Duke standing out as the only one I felt was taking damage and reacting to it then being affected by it after the fight.)
So it might be best to contact the other players on their bios, as Driodro can't do much more than speak for themselves, and the others aren't really doing their part in explaining their side of the story.
:c I'm sure the others involved are reading this though, so discussion might do some good.
ApoideaBee Good evening. On
Good evening. On the human rights who is personally familiar with Dridro, I think it is possible to leave a few words in this thread.
Although they are addressed to you personally. I do not understand why you are interfering in the topic that you personally in no way concerned, especially because of the first two pages of text it is obvious that Dridro come to some kind of consensus with those who were directly in interaction with his character.
So I do not understand why you put in the categorical form him the task of revising his character. Yes, there are certain rules of Community.
But not everyone wants to, and not everyone has to follow them, and fully shall be responsible for their choices. And as nobody has the right indicate to anyone that he should and what he should not do. Nobody has the right to teach what and how to understand. Everyone lives as life teaches.
So I do not understand why the "interaction" with no agreement is unacceptable behavior, but to intervene in a conversation that none of your business - acceptable behavior, as well as the imposition of opinions is the norm.
I am not for violence. I'm for freedom of choice.
If someone with someone does not want to communicate or interact with - do not do it. And it will be your choice. If someone annoys you in the game - ignore and it will be the best way to say "not now" or "never".
Everyone receives from playing his own pleasure in his own plane. And if you do not like it - do not cross with him. Or make something else.
Thank you for your attention.
Maybe I should delete this
Rikka, I wouldn't concern
Yes, you're right.
Irwind, Dridro obviously
Dridro obviously wants to eliminate the issue from happening again. This is how this can be done. I tried to be as blunt as possible with how it can be achieved so that things turn out well for both parties.
I personally have nothing against Dridro and am only offering help where it was deemed necessary.
It is unacceptable behavior to interact without asking in a violent manner because it is negatively impacting others. This is why this thread was created in the first place. If the very lenient guidelines of the community are followed by those who choose to be a part of it, then things like this don't happen.
If you re-read the first two pages, it is clear near the end that Dridro does not seem to understand what has been done wrong in the second case of the issue: the birth. Dridro denies that there was any involvement, when clearly the group was attacked by this little 'clan' of predatory deer when it was not requested or welcomed.
Furthermore, it is very difficult to 'ignore' someone who is consistently causing a problem and refuses to relent, especially when the responsibility is put off on the player's character's behavior. A player dictates their character's behavior, plain and simple. This is where the "If you have any problems with my character or the way I play him/her please contact me at..." clause in nearly all biography disclaimers on this forum comes from. Consistent behavior like this turns into an annoyance that cannot be ignored any longer, and that is where posts like my good friend Rikka's come up.
I hope you now understand where I am coming from.
Thank you for your time.
I'd say don't delete the
@RikkaChan} I believe you
It is not like this blog was full of snapping and insults and the like.
The blog should stand as something important with things we and others can learn from in the future by reading it or coming back to it, plus it can come as great reference for whenever such situations should happen again.
And as Ali stated very well, this blog can answer questions for those who want to make demonic/aggressive characters and I believe this blog standing can be helpful for the community.
Thanks, you two. You both