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Samorn's picture
So I have another account and it's not being used as much as I would like in comparison to Samorn. I have a character in mind but I'm stuck on a possible design for it. The character I have in mind would be very brash, active, love to spar and that's all I've thought of so far (it isn't very specific, haha).

I don't know what set would be appropriate for a character like this and so that's why I would love some input. Any suggestions at all are good because I'll be glancing at the pelt/mask/antler selectors to see what combinations might be good. I have an idea for a mask because I like it but I never had an appropriate character for it but I would definitely like some input because I know you guys know designs a lot more than I do, heh.

But I'm also stuck on the fact that this character might not fit in here and by that I don't mean something like not being popular or whatever but the idea of the character and what I have in mind doesn't seem to fit in to what I've observed around here. That's a whole other story though, hah.
moonsoverwater's picture

Just go with it. Not many

Just go with it. Not many ideas, if any, are inappropriate for this site. Do you have any idea on a name or a description behind him? And what mask did you have in mind?


(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!
Unplugged's picture

Well there are a lot of

Well there are a lot of "evil" deer around that used to be considered inappropriate forever ago. Nowadays they're the norm so I don't think you should experience any problems with that.
I'm also all for active characters, so just go for it Smiling

I'm not sure on the set because there isn't a lot of information on the character so far. Anything you'd prefer?
A nice method I find to be quite effective is to randomly get spell-spammed and work with that first, then "improve" what you feel could need improvement. Looking for slightly symbolic stuff is fun too.

((oh yeah, we were the crow today, nice to meet you))
moonsoverwater's picture

And could you link to the

And could you link to the pictogram of that account?


(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!
Samorn's picture

This is the pictogram. I was

This is the pictogram.

I was considering the DOTD mask because, while getting my old set back on this character, it popped up and it was kind of intriguing, haha (the face on the mask, I mean). As for a name, nothing yet (I mean, I have a few ideas but see then ext sentence for the other dilemma).

Actually the reason I'm wondering if the character would fit in is not because of the personality (I've seen quite a few deer that are probably worse than this character would be, haha) but because I'm leaning toward making this character a doe. From what I've seen of other female deer it isn't the norm but I'm worried that I'll end up having a character that isn't taken seriously or that I can't truly develop because a more feminine doe would be much more likely to be interacted with or that nobody would even recognize her as a doe, as is the problem I've had with Samorn. This isn't a problem outside of the forest but in-game, unless I have the little stubs or peacock feathers then I highly doubt my character will be recognized as a female. I've definitely considered a stag but, as my friends can attest my role-playing skills with male characters aren't very good, heh. I never specified a gender on purpose while typing my original post.

I am definitely considering just seeing what comes up if somebody casts a spell on me, heh. I know you can definitely get interesting results from that, as that's how I got Samorn's current design. I just figured some input (moreso for the paragraph I just posted above) is what I was looking for.

If you're worried about the

If you're worried about the gender of your character being miss-judged in The Forest, I recommend getting word out as much as you can on The Community: write journals/diaries, rp, draw.

My first character was a male deer who wore the peacock antlers and I've had minimal issues with gender. The times it did happen, I just took it in stride and laughed about it! Sticking out tongue
Samorn's picture

Definitely, I'm planning on

Definitely, I'm planning on exploring the character a bit through writing first before I try anything seriously in-game so it would be made pretty clear if I do decide to make this character a doe. I made the mistake of not updating Samorn's bio to specify a gender and ugh. I could see how they thought she was a stag because nobody can read my mind and how I picture her as a doe but still, I was frustrated at myself for making that mistake, haha.
Samorn's picture

Blah, I hate how indecisive

Blah, I hate how indecisive I'm being because the reasoning sounds really stupid in my head. The main reason I'm reluctant about making this character a doe, as much as it would please me, is pretty much that if I ever wanted to build relationships between other characters, would she get stuck in a 'friend zone' because she isn't delicate or fragile and in need of protection? Would she ever find a mate?

But I've done some more thinking and this is the personality I have some up with so far:

She is easily angered, which can be used as both fuel for a sparring match or just as a bit of a practical joke (ie teasing her to get her riled up). Her tough exterior is partially to mask her insecurity, since I never imagined her as mean-spirited or evil. She has moments where that tough exterior will come dangerously close to cracking and if she feels threatened to the point of breaking, she will panic and flee. If alone or meeting somebody new, she will appear aloof however if she is with friends, she will loosen up and let some genuine emotion shine through (ie laughing, joking). She will allow physical contact like nuzzling and won't make a scene over it but, truly, she does not like nuzzling because it feels weak and too intimate for her (so she may condone it but become very withdrawn and walk away if it becomes overwhelming).

It seems to be a bit more balanced and isn't so much "OH GUYS LET'S SPAR WHOOO" but rather there is a lot of reasoning behind her actions and how she acts like she does. I don't want a cliché kind of ~abused past~ so she won't have that but I hope to eventually come up with a proper history for her, haha.

Still stuck on a set. I could easily see her with the Crying Idol red pelt buuuuut I'm pretty sure it wears off every time you log on and I'm kind of lazy so I don't know if I'd want to go and get it all the time. I do have antlers in mind (Space Beluga) especially if she's easily riled up and it seems that some kind of antlers would be best (although I am not opposed to stubs). Not sure about a mask, but I love the Secretary Bird mask and it seems like it would suit her (not showing her emotions, her eyes) and it doesn't look bad with the Space Beluga pelt. But I'm still kind of stuck, haha.
Unplugged's picture

I like your ideas. Thanks

I like your ideas. Smiling Thanks for sharing your thoughts too.
I think she has a lot of potential to develop even further. I like that you're giving more three-dimensionality; I like realistic characters.

The Secretary Mask is actually one of my favourites, so I'd immediately approve of that, haha. It would probably fit her temper.

Hmm so basically you're unsure whether anyone would be interested in longer-lasting interactions with her? I'd dare to say it's quite the opposite way around. There's a longer lasting attention-span for "different" well-developed characters, while some more popular ideas can get replaced quickly. So I'd just give her some time and see how it develops. Smiling

Thinking of a character called Sianna ((whose player unfortunately left and deleted the bio)). She was also quite the temperamental doe. Though the Sianna herself could be quite a nuisance ((shamiya herself said that, haha)), many appreciated her for making their characters experiences more interesting and bringing some excitement.

I like the Beluga Antlers. Not sure about alternatives. How useful would the Beluga Antlers be in spars? How would she use them?

Hmmm what direction do you want to go with the pelts? The Beluga pelt is pretty cool in colour which could show her tough exterior. Some warmer pelt could emphasize her hot-headedness.


I could imagine her humour to be more of sarcastic/teasing nature.

As you can see I don't like giving concrete answers. Sticking out tongue I like brainstorming with others though. Sorry for jumping between the topics.
Samorn's picture

Honestly? I really appreciate

Honestly? I really appreciate the constructive criticism because that's what I need, I'm looking for somebody to basically say what you've said and to give me ideas on how to shape this character more than what I have so far. Having people give a sentence or two is fine but to have somebody actually read my post and be like, "Well this works but what about this?" and if I've never thought about that idea then it helps me a lot. Basically I appreciate your post a lot, heh.

You basically summed up what I'm worried about. I'm worried that, because she will act tough and aloof then there will be no long-lasting interactions, or at least not enough to develop a possible friendship. That she will repel anybody that tries to get close to her because she isn't going to welcome everybody with open arms. I mean, I don't mind making some excitement but I'm just worried that she'll be labelled as a 'nuisance' and that's it.

Well, the Beluga antlers would be to give her some protection. If she's hot-headed and has a tendency to spar then I figure I might as well give her some protection against (assuming she is sparring with a stag) a stag's antlers, since they would be larger than her own. If she has just the stubs then she would constantly be injured and wouldn't survive that long, I would imagine. They're the smallest antlers I can find that aren't the Magpie or Peacock antlers, so that's a slightly less interesting reason, haha.

The Beluga pelt was actually the only one that seemed to match the mask & antlers, because while the Crying Idol pelt would make sense for her temper, the little dA game I was using to see didn't have it as an option so I couldn't try it out, haha. I'm not sure what other pelt would look good, although I do like the Fan pelt, but I don't think it would suit her. If I went with Beluga pelt/Magpie mask/Beluga antlers then it doesn't look bad, just kind of plain, haha. I considered Fan pelt/Real deer mask/Beluga antlers for a more realistic looking deer. I've also considered Secretary pelt/Secretary mask/Beluga antlers or Beluga pelt/DOTD mask/Beluga antlers. I like how the Secretary mask gives her kind of red 'eyes' and so that would be a subtle reference to her temper because it would be the only colour on her, pretty much.

Her humour would definitely be very sarcastic/teasing because, when she isn't being provoked, then she loves to bother other deer and see if they're easily provoked or not. That and I figure that's kind of how she'd act because she definitely doesn't ignore anybody. So even if she's aloof to deer she doesn't know, she won't ignore them, she just won't be very buddy-buddy with them, haha.

I don't mind brainstorming, it helps me make decisions, haha. Your comments really helped me, tbh. You made me consider options that I may not have considered because my line of thought accidentally excluded those ideas and it's really helpful and constructive input :3
Unplugged's picture

I like your attitude.

I like your attitude. Sticking out tongue Sometimes my fingers just itch wanting to ask about the whats and whys of a character but I'm too afraid it'll read more as "your character sucks" rather than anything else. I have zero ability when it comes to creating my own characters so I like to brainstorm with others.

Now Beluga Antlers as protection is something I haven't heard of before. I could imagine them as two big scales or as onyx black stoneplates. Perhaps they could be attached to the mask? They would fit with the top "spikes" of the Secretary Mask.
ROFL nevermind I confused Belugas with Orca Antlers all this time. :B How about those though?

I gotta agree with you on Beluga + Magpie looking plain, it's a nice combination but it seems a little too... reserved? considering her character. It's monochromatic, there's just that speck of colour missing, that little oddity that makes her stand out. Something just a tad more eccentric might fit her, that's why I'm still Secretary all the way. It's pretty uncommon and like you say it complements her character.
((don't want to impose anything on you though))

Well if she isn't a nuisance then she isn't one! She may be a nuisance to some characters, but that's one of those things that many people enjoy about roleplaying. There are deer who consider the damsel-in-distress-does annoying. Your doe is neither a completely white innocent angel nor the black evil-but-oh-so-seductive mistress. So inevitably she will be perceived differently depending on the deer.

On the Real Deer option, I think it depends on how feral you really want her to be, both design and character-wise. But then again, not all of the deer-masked characters have such traits in them.

DotD Mask could be interesting. You could go several directions with it design-wise. What about its grin? What would it be representative of? It's mischievous so it could work with her sarcastic side. The question is how much emphasis you would want to put on that. You could also reflect this in her pelt instead of her mask, that would be a more subtle alternative.

I like this little manipulative side of hers, seeing how far she can go until the other deer has enough of it. I could imagine her pulling a lot of "experiments" on other deer like that. Faking different emotions for reactions perhaps? This could fit the DotD Mask well. This could give her a little attention-seekerish edge as well, and be a definite factor defining a few of the weaker sides of her character.

Samorn's picture

The Orca Antlers seem too

The Orca Antlers seem too streamlined or too plain for my tastes. I did consider them because they are still small while resembling antlers but I chose the Beluga over the Orca because the Beluga made more sense for sparring, in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure that the Secretary Mask would be my best choice. While the DotD mask wouldn't look too bad, I'm worried that she'll just look kind of crazy instead of mischievous because of the grin. It would work with the Beluga Pelt and Antlers, if I kept that as a theme, but it might be a bit too bizarre. I'd consider her pelt but I don't know what other pelt would look good and go with the Secretary Mask and the Beluga Antlers. The Magpie looks similar but with more detail. If I went with the DotD mask then the Beluga Antlers and Orca Pelt wouldn't look too bad, I think. I've considered something like the Great Argus Pelt but I'm not sold on it because it seems almost too vibrant, heh.

I definitely think she would fake emotion to see if she could confuse other deer and I definitely think that this characteristic could develop and evolve as she interacts more. I imagine she'd have a grin on her face all the time but I don't know if the DotD mask is the way to show that, haha. Although if an entire mask covers her face then she could hide any real emotions much more easily and I don't think that the aloof or sarcastic side of her personality would work with a permanent grin on her face. If she was meant to be slightly more insane or unbalanced than just kind of insecure & tough then maybe the DotD mask would suit her more but I think that it might just be too bizarre for her, heh.

I'm going to rule out the Real Deer Mask, just because it's too 'normal' for her Sticking out tongue

In regards to the brainstorming, I did ask for input so I'm glad that somebody has given me something other than a one liner to help me develop this character, haha.
Samorn's picture

Right now I've decided on

Right now I've decided on Magpie Pelt/Orca Antlers/Secretary Mask. Unplugged's post got me thinking about how they could be like 'attachments' or an extension of the Secretary Mask and that makes the most sense. That way she doesn't technically have antlers but instead uses the fake antlers as some protection when she spars or initiates a fight. I haven't worked out the details on what they're made out of (because while I figure it's realistic that they chip, I have no idea what I would do if they broke) but I'll figure something out that's realistic and still doesn't break easily, haha.

Whoo, the set looks pretty good in-game :3 Much better than I imagined, haha.
Unplugged's picture

I think for that issue you

I think for that issue you could just retort to Willing Suspension Of Disbelief. After all this is a forest where you play deer with human faces. Though if you'll manage to find another solution, more power to you. Smiling Remember not to get too worked up in details, otherwise there'd be no room left for anything at all and you'll never feel ready to play her, rofl.

I'm glad my Orca idea works out for you. I'd love to roleplay with Nephele but I'm not sure how well that'd work out since I technically don't play ICly. Maybe we can meet her in the forest some day, I have no problems with characters there.