Tracking~ The first Gen 1 and Gen 2 are very pretty c:

Some interest over here. Do you have an email I could get a hold of? <:

I am interested...Is there a way i could reach you? Or would you be willing to email me at ?

Yes money only for these please <3

I can send you two emails...for the rest I have included my email in the post if you'd like to contact me that way instead.

You're all feeding a shitty trend, you should know.
The game was designed to be free of charge, it's a spit in M&A's faces to go and make money off of it.
Considering the server itself runs on the players' donations and M&A generosity, really.

I've always thought it's like an unspoken rule between players that pictograms aren't sold for money, only art or another pictogram.
I remember people trying to sell them before and getting noted about it :/

Then consider it a donation and you get a free pictogram =p

Oh my God! First 1gen is very beautiful *0*
How about artwork instead of money?..
http://i.imgur.com/vQAbp3X.jpg

Do you not understand? You're creating a market out of something that comes for free. That doesn't belong to you. Imagine someone making art for the other, and then selling it for a higher price.

This is creating a precedent for people to hoard pictos only to sell them for money later. You're opening Pandora's box. Now there's value attached to something that is and has been free. And that goes to the buyers just as much. Does this not worry you at all?

You're a good enough artist. You could offer artwork if you're in need for money. People here are even kind enough to give money for nothing if somebody needs it. I know it was a joking reply but even if you just give away pictos for "free" for donations, it still creates a fake reward out of pictos. It's incredibly disrespectful towards M&A who created all of this, to now make a market out of it.

Not to mention the legal aspect of it. If money is involved then this should at least have been discussed with M&A beforehand. I mean, if an important artist, let's say da vinci for example would be the author of this Art, would you consider this to be a regular course of action? Would you sell this so easily, and the buyers, would you consider this to be alright to do?

emailed B)

Damn ....How can you even think about selling Pictos !!?
A lot of people are doing it for nothing or for only a little arttrade .
Why not donate the amount of money you got to M+A instead ...would be a better idea .

you're welcome

oh, you reframed the offering;
well, what an odd way of asking for donations you have

I can answer for myself, what I take issue with is the regard of accounts (and it follows, the pictograms attached to it) as goods and precisely the attachment of monetary value to them. I do oppose any sort of trade that is not giving away pictograms for free (aka art too). I believe pictograms should not /become/ goods, due to the concept of the forest, because I believe it goes against the intentions of M&A, and their artistic vision.

I would consider most art commissions happening in this type of environment a service. Because the payment goes to the artist to make the said item. Selling pictograms is not a service you do to someone. But even art that is created and sold as a good is also made with the intention of being sold as a good. Pictograms - and the accounts linked to them - are also not made with the intention of being sold as a good. In that way selling pictograms and selling art are not the same thing.

Pictograms and accounts are invariably linked. It is the access of the account that is exchanged technically, but it's not the account that creates the value. It's the pictogram that creates value - the art attached to it. Therefore I believe it is incorrect to just separate these two so easily. And in the end, pictograms and the forest are an artistic vision which is why I believe it is disrespectful to disregard it as such.

My thanks to Unplugged, Maria, Uit, and Fly for saying the things I wanted to say more eloquently than I could have.

Fair enough, Unplugged. I can see your viewpoint is coherent by your own axioms of thought. I still hold my points as valid, but I suppose I'm simply a bit cynical and disregard some things you consider pivotal to your argument, such as original intent and artistic vision. Best to you.

@ Uitleger,

Oh, I believe you misunderstand. This is my main account. I may use our collective name less frequently than my ulterior, but here is where I really, fully express myself unhindered. It's not that I magically avoid any backlash to expressing my opinions by using a different pseudonym. I check every response I get, be I logged into this account or another. They're both just nicknames, all just nicknames. No single one is more "actually me" than the other. I don't view it as hiding; rather I'm tactically garnering all poor opinions of me onto one place. Or attempting to do so. I'm actually something of a pacifist by nature, so I don't want to be surrounded by debate here, for the most part (lol, about that...). If I were not to separate my style of conversation by account, I most certainly would not have that luxury. I'm not "ashamed" of my true thoughts and feelings. I simply know I'm going to find really unpleasant things given back to me when I express them, especially on TEFc.

Simply, on one account I'm politically correct, as TEFc prefers.
On this account, I'm myself.

There's no real difference to you whether you know me as Indignation or any of my other account names, except for that singular thing: names. They're all pseudonyms. No identity I've taken up on the Internet is more valid than another. You get the same result no matter which name you come to refer to me as: you speak to me through text over the Web.

I admire that you're willing to express yourself under the same name as the one you want to be liked as. To do that on TEFc is a brave, if not dangerous, thing. I truly hope you never see a reason to use other names to express yourself just to be liked and respected on at least one of them. I have.

If you're worried about accidentally befriending or being kind to me just because you don't recognize the name as being "that one person I disagreed with once," don't worry. I don't like two-timing people. If anyone disagrees with me here, dislikes me, I give them their space no matter what pseudonym I'm going by. I dislike being even this deceptive (A.K.A. going by two names with equal value), but I've seen some people be really awful to one another, and it's stupid to not do one's best to avoid that whenever possible, even if it's just preserving some sense of peace on a pseudonym.

This community does bite. I've seen more cruel and awful things happen here than anywhere else I've taken up residence on the Internet, 4chan and the like included. I'm really happy for you if you haven't seen that and do believe this to be a place free of cruelty and meanness. I wish I still felt that way.

Now, as for the actual subject at hand (you're very correct; I get off-track really easy!): I suppose I can't feel bad about it in general because it doesn't offend me (no duh, lol; awesome phrasing here, Indignation!). I've learned to try and analyze my thoughts and feelings as best as possible to really understand the why of things, so on my way home from work today, I tried to really understand things from Auriea and Michael's perspective. Though obviously I can't really do so fully, if I had invested years and years of work into something I allowed others to toss themselves into, I realized I am completely content with them exchanging things they've come to posses in my creative sphere for whatever they please. They came into the thing, they definitely own it in a way. I have ultimate rights to it because it's my creation that I leased out (I use the method of "leasing," such as with cars or buildings, in my reasoning about this subject). If someone wants to part with something they possess in exchange for something else, created originally by themselves or not, I think that's their right.

Unplugged has an excellent point in that it's hard (if not immoral, as seems to be the viewpoint) to apply value to something originally acquired for free. Ultimately though, they already have value. It's honestly too late to avoid that. The moment anyone registers an account, it has value. To them, maybe to everyone. That's really hard to avoid. I definitely agree that I would prefer not to be the one to state what anything's worth. It's really awkward and hard to do and I take issue with putting a price on things (in money or anything else) in everyday life, I have for years. I think Shiori's method was actually really impressive in that she seems to believe the same thing, and allowed others to proposition what they were willing to exchange for something they valued. That was cool. But I can understand taking issue with any form of exchangeable value being placed on anything. Unfortunately, that's also reality: at the pet store where lives are exchanged for money; online (and IRL) where people sell their work and artistic vision; at the corner bus station where unemployed people wait for someone to proposition an exchange to them, money for whatever they can provide (On second read-through, this sound like prostitution. My bad. Where I came from, it was the most part immigrant males waiting for some form of work, like gardening or construction. Though I suppose every point is valid; people doing what they need to to get by.). Money is a necessary commodity, and it's unreasonable to expect it in exchange for nothing (you’re 2nice for offering a donation for free, Unplugged). It's an awkward thing that I find more and more I wish could be done better in general, but I have had no ideas.

Looooong post aside, if M&A don't care, I don't even vaguely. Best to everyone._-Indignation

Ah, that first Gen 2 is absolutely lovely. If I had money to 'donate' to your cause I would certainly be snagging it, haters be damned. Do what you want to, bruh. (Shiori for President 2K14)

To be absolutely clear: what I said above applies to EVERYTHING in the game! We own everything. You just play with it and I hope you enjoy it. ALL of your accounts are stored on OUR server. EVERYTHING about The Endless Forest is OURS to sell or give away —or remove— as and when we please. NOBODY can sell pictograms, accounts or anything else that is part of The Endless Forest.

Sweet.

Eye,

I wasn't all serious about biting. Still, you might wanna double-check your approach, as it bears the very mistrust, disrespect and hate that trouble you.
Without an aim, hostility lingers to spoil the whole atmosphere.

Now, your claim on seeing the bigger picture is not holding up, as you've conveniently omitted a piece - the artists' right.
There's no need to guess M&A's take on this, a quick look through the forest's main page would suffice.
All in all, you sell it like a revelation and a wholesome excuse for a bunch of narrow-minded, self-absorbed greedy kids.
Should you have called a swine a swine at that, I'd have no problem with your musings.

bumping


to remind people to stop trying to buy pictograms or trade