The Endless Forest: Second Decade crowdsourcing campaign is live!

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We are live!



Please share the link as far and wide as you can: https://igg.me/at/theendlessforest
Feel free to use the image above, or make your own.

Do let us know any comments or suggestions! This campaign runs over 30 days, so there's plenty of time to tweak and add.

PS: we're still accepting video, audio & text (see previous post)

Update 1 (2 November)
Update 2 (15 November)
Update 3 (18 November): 3D prints!
Update 4 (21 November): new perks!
Update 5: Lina!
Update 6: Campaign extended to 27 December!
Update 7: tin deer WIP
Update 8 (14 December): statistics
Shenere's picture

alcinda: When I find how do

alcinda:
When I find how do "quote," I'll do it... Laughing out loud

Anyway, alci; as happened me several times, I hit some similar behavior in life situations where take or done something and later required sssomething from the other. They're was in damn big troubles... And yes, it is only opinion and also experience, I guess.

I do not trust the things about which I am not fully convinced, and yes, for me is that a little less I think I will see. A model of Tin Deer? And so what? People can modeling for fun, but what about show an animation of grazing? If I will see a created animations, I will be more believing that something is happening behind scenes. Smiling

Now I didnt see that money will be actually used. Just the fact that they will "postpone" (or whatever they're call it...) made in me a feeling of insecurity if development even begins. Then they can say anything and puff, money flow far away. And plus they're actually behav and disabling comments... I really don't like such behav...

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uit:
Yea, remember that there was an event where people show designs and some of them went to the game, it's true... It was really pretty to looking on others ideas. I think I was posting there too, but I'm not sure.

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I also have to admit that grasslands or that weird creature I can't still remember that name..., I did not expect; new locations like the open plains, was one of my silent wish when I was here on Forest more active, after all, I still can imagine how this all will be looking (and exited from) but still, anyway, I do not trust much of their plan until it really starts. So, I will hold a certain skepticism, and I will not back away from that I feel pressure from their side.

Quote:People can modeling for

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People can modeling for fun, but what about show an animation of grazing? If I will see a created animations, I will be more believing that something is happening behind scenes. Smiling

Animations come after a certain amount of euro is reached. Until then they won't waste time working on what might not ever come.

Many don't like the way they behave but it doesn't make evidence for scamming. Skeptical is okay but I think you have no real evidence of concern besides doubt.

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Draak's picture

I think one of my major

I think one of my major problems on this whole thing is that we're not getting a decent response out of them both to address this whole situation and to clear things up.

It's either silence or just a petty "you're better than this!"

I think the whole idea of "sort it amongst yourselves" can only go too far before it's an giant mess like this, because a whole lot of us have different opinions.
Shenere's picture

Quote:Skeptical is okay but I

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Skeptical is okay but I think you have no real evidence of concern besides doubt.


That's why it is calling - skepticism.


And thanks for help. .)
alcinda's picture

Quote:A model of Tin Deer?

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A model of Tin Deer? And so what? People can modeling for fun, but what about show an animation of grazing? If I will see a created animations, I will be more believing that something is happening behind scenes.

What do you mean, 'so what?' By that logic, they could animate a grazing action 'for fun.' Not sure why one is more valuable than the other in terms of development.
They have to re-code the game from scratch and ect, so those kind of things won't come until later, anyway. Besides, we already have an animation that could possibly be used for grazing (the drinking action).

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Now I didnt see that money will be actually used. Just the fact that they will "postpone" (or whatever they're call it...) made in me a feeling of insecurity if development even begins. Then they can say anything and puff, money flow far away. And plus they're actually behav and disabling comments... I really don't like such behav...


They haven't even received the funding yet, so it's no surprise they haven't started the game yet. They don't get the money until after the campaign. \:

If you're skeptical and distrustful of M&A, then by all means, don't donate. Many of us will be donating, though.

Edit: AND YEAH, what okaymeng said..
CydaLuva83's picture

Man I wish my bios got this

Man I wish my bios got this amount of comments.
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Shenere's picture

Chjooo... Vivala

Chjooo... Vivala Czeglish...

Yes, I am, and I will be skeptical.
I'm not saying I will not donate later when all this starts to move, anyway, until I will have a certain distance from such things and promises. But it seems from you're something like "others will be" it's sounds, that who is not donating is less important or something like that, alci.

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Man I wish my bios got this amount of comments.

... just ignore that, I just training "quote"... : D xD

Let's list what exactly we

Let's list what exactly we want to hear from M&A that will resolve the tension and clear sth up for everyone.
Bare points, no emotion. Lemme start.

I'd like to hear more about the visual side of the remake.

We know that Unreal will upgrade and open the game to other platforms [Mac, Linux], we learned that it enables real textures [wood, metal, etc.] and neat particle effects.
The promotional videos for the engine feed much to imagination, though.
All due to its advertised capabilities and superior quality as opposed to what we see in the current game.

So, how will the new forest look like? Which parts of the engine's potential will be utilized?
And how will current textures/models be used in the remake? Simply ported or built upon?
Will you make changes to the POV/camera [so we may get a closeup, or see the sky and the branches overhead, for example]?



Quote:Lets list what exactly

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Lets list what exactly we want to hear from M&A that will resolve the tension and clear sth up for everyone.
Bare points, no emotion.



But yes.

My questions are
Can we have a proper detail explaination of why its better to break the remake into 3 parts instead of remaking the whole game one time. Isn't it a waste of time and euro? If it is not please explain how.

Why 46 thousand euros for fawn magic? Isn't it easy and cheap to add that when remaking the new codes?
Draak's picture

I think half of my questions

I think half of my questions would be "why is x at this price and why is it so high?"

But I will ask Is there a reason why the community site fixes seem so low priority?

Will we be able to get a rundown on what will be being worked on? (once things get kicked into gear) Like kind of a schedule or something? (It doesn't have to have ETA dates, coming from experience those create pressure especially when they aren't met on that exact day)
Vala 's picture

A bump...

A bump...
" ~ Lady in Red ~ "

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Quote:But I will ask Is there

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But I will ask Is there a reason why the community site fixes seem so low priority?


I mentioned something about this. Like I said before, I can understand not making it the number one priority, but I don't think it should be so low on the list. The community site is, to most of us, an important part of the whole experience of TEF. The way we use it, it's really part of the game.
Awentia's picture

& Bumping..

& Bumping..
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Laryal's picture

Hello i was reading a bit on

Hello i was reading a bit on the comments i have no idea what was said do not want to know. But the developers need to know keeping silent is not the way to go really. Why i say this i have and am on the Sims forums and i can tell you this that those who play Sims 4 do not have no communication with their players.The developers say they are listening and seeing the posts but they do not talk to the players like they did with us Sims 3 players when the forum was on the Sims 3 web site. The thing is you need to talk to us let us know what is going on do not keep us in the dark. Please do not be like those Sims 4 developers who do not say anything at all thank you.
Laryal pic by EmiliaYO
Urschanabi's picture

Using the opportunity to ask

Using the opportunity to ask a question:

Does moving to the new version imply losing one's set? (particularly concerned about those that can only be casted by Gods)

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Keepiru's picture

I got an email this morning

I got an email this morning saying that I've been unsubscribed from the ToT mailing list...

Legit or random spam? the newsletter email is the right one, weird.

Urschanabi, Michaël Samyn

Urschanabi,
Michaël Samyn wrote:
Yes, the old pictograms and sets will be used in the new game. We hope to transition from one engine to the other smoothly.


okaymeng,
Michaël Samyn wrote:
My preference is to release the remake of the current game (so Phase Three) and perhaps use the other phases for beta-testing. But if we cannot raise the required money on IndieGogo, I want develop in phases. If all goes well, the remainder will be collected while we are working and we will release the full game as planned. If we would not be able to collect the remainder, then at least we will have Phase One, which is better than nothing at all, in my opinion, and a basis to figure out an alternative way to remake the rest (which might just be taking more time while we fund it ourselves).


Keepiru,
I suggest you email them.
What I got was a reminder about the campaign ending soon.

Uitleger, I have read that.

Uitleger, I have read that. Thank you.
I just want to know their reasoning for how it make sense and how it is
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better than nothing at all

if most people wont want to play phase one because no RP from not having sets will not be fun for most. They will want to play the old version with so much more to do anyway. If it's phase one, it will be a mostly empty forest.
That still doesn't explain how it is better use of the money and if it makes more sense or I'm missing it still.

Preference =/= cost Efficient and good idea.

I am waiting for answers from creators.

The quote answered your

The quote answered your question for me. If it doesn't for you, that must be due to you, the player, having preference toward the game with sets.
The devs have a preference towards the phase development because that's the realistic way to start making a 40k multiplayer Unreal engine game with 27k money.
Gamedev takes planning to eliminate risks. That's why they build the essentials first, expand on them later when they have the resources. That's how this forest was made.

Hammering the full game together when you lack a third of the sum to cover the production, thus with no way to plan forward and no set timelines?
That's exactly how you blow your money.

As I'm not their official spokesman, I'm sure they'll reply to you regardless, btw.

Quote:Hammering the full game

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Hammering the full game together when you lack a third of the sum to cover the production, thus with no way to plan forward and no set timelines?
That's exactly how you blow your money.


Of course that would be stupid. It make more sense to begin developing when getting the money you NEED to finish. Nobody is saying make all of it with 27k.
Few will probably play first phase anyway so the wait is worth it.

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As I'm not their official spokesman, I'm sure they'll reply to you regardless, btw.

Yes.
Aivilo's picture

I got the newsletter about

I got the newsletter about the campaign, and also the unsubscribe notice (several hours later), Keep, so I'm inclined to think something bugged out on their side.
Huskylove's picture

A bump...

A bump...
Huskylove's picture

o yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i did it!!

o yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i did it!! sorryyyy
alcinda's picture

Almost 30k!

Almost 30k! <3

Edit: annnd there we have it, 30.3k. :}
Huskylove's picture

I have much lost because of

I have much lost because of the commission- couldn't give exactly 3000(
Starling's picture

No way! Aaaaah I'm so happy

No way! Aaaaah I'm so happy it's reached 30 already.
Aivilo's picture

I can't hardly believe it.

I can't hardly believe it. 77%!
Verdalas's picture

Seeing all the squabbling in

Seeing all the squabbling in above posts is very disheartening.

We've gone over 30K thanks to some amazing individuals. I'm so happy we can see something come out of this for everyone.

Also I loved seeing the conversion of ear movement from Quest3D to the Unreal engine posted on ToT's Twitter. The deer texture even looks better using it.
Ephriam's picture

Come on, guys. We can get

Come on, guys. We can get another 3-4K before the campaign ends. <3 then we can have our sets and some actions.
(prior account: Apoidea/ApoideaBee)
Iaurdagnire's picture

80%?! That's crazy-amazing,

80%?! That's crazy-amazing, well done everyone who was able to donate multiple times.
silverdragon's picture

Finally got round to donating

Finally got round to donating Smiling x
hadoukin's picture

Guys we're so close to

Guys we're so close to getting a full remake, advertise the shit out of this until the end !! We gottttaaaaaa get it aaaaaa
parrotsnpineapple's picture

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parrotsnpineapple's picture

Despite all bad tastes in my

Despite all bad tastes in my mouth via the bad PR spike that happened, I dug a little deeper; I have joined the forest magician ranks. I really want to see this succeed and Id also really love to design something Laughing out loud

Can anyone remember what the email was to tell M&A that ive donated more.
Evern's picture

parrots, it's the one in the

parrots, it's the one in the about page as far as I remember. Thanks for donating more. Smiling

parrotsnpineapple's picture

Sweet thanks. Ive emailed!

Sweet thanks. Ive emailed!

5 Hours left...

5 Hours left...
Aivilo's picture

*casually nudges Phase Two

*casually nudges Phase Two into reality*
>.>

:3
Laryal's picture

Nudges new game in only a bit

Nudges new game in only a bit more and we can have this new game sqeeeeeeeeeee!Exclaim!!!! Smiling Smiling Smiling Smiling Smiling
Laryal pic by EmiliaYO

Closing on 86% is actually

Closing on 86% is actually really amazing. No doubt we could get the rest through a Patreon. I wasn't able to donate, but I'm sincerely happy and grateful to all who did.
Mauvable's picture

So much time has passed, so

So much time has passed, so much money spent. Sometimes I wonder what we could be doing different to make this process faster and easier. I think we've been doing well as a community to stay patient but I know personally I'm upset. Bumping this blog as a reminder of where it started.
Malakh's picture

Seconding Mauv here honestly.

Seconding Mauv here honestly. It's an insane length of time--and amount of money--even for indie devs. I think the community has been remarkably patient given the circumstances and I can't say I'm not disappointed by the direction things have taken (the time and money taken, in particular, seems uh... disproportionate to the result, in my opinion).

I don't have the energy to put my thoughts into words properly but I'd really love to see an open and honest discussion on this because I know many other people feel the exact same way and are disappointed. It just isn't spoken about openly on here.
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