A question for all of you.

Mary13's picture
EDIT: Screw it, just everyone read this.
Edit : I don't mean to generalize, not all of you are bad.

I write this in account of my friend, but I've had this happen to me too and I've seen others encounter it.
Why is it that your deer are so rude ingame? When a deer that's a stranger to you approaches you or tries to introduce themselves, you often are angry at it or ignore it. I mean, my friend and I both own 2nd gen pictos, but some of you treated us like we were newborn fawns, ignorant of everything that goes on in our forest. Do you not consider younger deer worth your time?
I mean, I understand that you who lie down all day want to be left alone and that's acceptable, but what if you're awake and playing? Why do you shut us away, aren't we all equals in the forest?
I know it may be a part of the roleplay and all, but I know for certain that all of you don't RP, and it's still the same. I've had few good encounters with you, and I'm terribly saddened. We can all be good role models for newbies.

You don't need to be apologising for your behaviour if you think that it's justified, but I'd appreciate it if you read this at least.

Thank you, and see you in the forest.
WayfarerHart's picture

I go OOC for newbies, I'm

I go OOC for newbies, I'm sure my friends understand.
I'm sorry you're having a rough time in the forest, really. It's deeply saddening.
You can come to me or my characters anytime, if I don't interact it's likely I'm just busy (or maybe overwhelmed if there's a crowd... ahaha.)

Evern's picture

I don't mean to sound rude by

I don't mean to sound rude by saying this, but there are plenty of nice people who own Gen 1's.
Two of my characters have Gen 1's; are always kind to newbies and, well, most other people.
There are characters/deer with Gen 4's that are rude and stuck up, IC or not.
Generalizing like that makes no sense.

You're way better off

You're way better off contacting people directly if you've had an issue with them instead of implying an entire group of players have all behaved this way.
Mary13's picture

Well, I don't really mean to

Well, I don't really mean to generalize here, I'm sorry if it seems like that.
I mean, of course you don't need to be instant BFFs with newbies, but it'd be great if you could at least say hello.
All the rude deer that I have met were Gen 1 I'm afraid, but don't worry, I'm not saying ALL of them are bad, I've met some good ones as well. I'm just sad when there are so few of those encounters that have been positive.
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I'm not saying ALL of them,

I'm not saying ALL of them, I'm just saying the most that I have met. I tried contacting two persons about it, but they never answered.
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Mary13's picture

Thank you, I'm glad you see

Thank you, I'm glad you see the point here. I don't mean to be rude here or anything, I was just really saddened by this because I want the forest to be enjoyed by everyone.

Not all of you are bad. It just seems like you have your own community of some sorts, and it's quite hard to get in there and be heard.
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If the person doesn't answer

If the person doesn't answer then unfortunately there isn't anything you can do beyond avoiding them in-game. It's sad when players of any generations are unwilling to compromise how they play to improve the enjoyment of the game for other players but may here choose to RP characters that (for whatever IC reason) do not react in a warm way. That is their choice and beyond discussing with that player there isn't any way to force them to change the way they play the game.

Making a note of characters you didn't enjoy meeting and avoiding them when In Game might be a good idea to make the game more enjoyable for you in the future. You could also try checking the biographies of characters before you approach, but I understand that isn't easy to do with the map frequently not working correctly.

Hopefully players who instruct their characters to lash out upon being approached will read this and understand that it is impacting the game negatively for others and consider altering how they role play.


Evern's picture

It's still pretty judgemental

It's still pretty judgemental to think only people with Gen 1's have the ability be rude. Makes it sound like all other Gens are saints. I'm sure you simply got unlucky with the encounters actually being Gen 1's in the first place.

Just saying you should probably keep in mind that any gen could act unpleasant- don't rule out others. I've met plenty unkind Gen 2's, 3's and 4's in my time, IC or not. Sticking out tongue

Mary13's picture

Thank you, Terabetha. I

Thank you, Terabetha. I didn't mean to come out as rude if it seemed like that. The reason I posted this was so that we could have the forest more enjoyable for everyone.
I've already noted the deer that I don't want to meet anymore. I usually stay away from RP deer anyway, I read bios often so I know who to avoid and approach, but not all have those and it's really hard to know if they're friendly or hostile until you approach them.

I don't mind roleplaying in the slightest, as long as we know in advance that their deer are hostile towards strangers. However, we know that not everyone reads the community page, and they can get really hurt when they try to play or lie down with those deer. Especially the fawns: They still don't know how the game works. Do we really want to discourage them by being hostile towards them? ( This is no just Gen 1 players, don't worry.)
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Mary13's picture

Haha, well you're absolutely

Haha, well you're absolutely right Evern, I think I'll alter this for a bit. I meant this from what me and my friends experienced and I'm deeply sorry for offending you guys.
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Don't worry, it's better now

Don't worry, it's better now that you've edited the blog and clarified what you mean! It did come across as you were only directing the criticism at generation 1 players, but it's good you recognize the issue is across the generations.

I think the issue of 'being nice to fawns' and making exceptions for them is problematic because in theory they play the game for a month when they are treat fairly and given special allowances considering they are learning the ropes. Suddenly upon gaining the adult model they suddenly get treated negatively. I'm not sure if I agree with that, especially because the REAL new players will be playing as nameless Guest deer (who due to glitches end up appearing with pictograms anyway). So if people want to petition for better treatment of new players, it's not the best method to only limit this to fawns.

Anyway I think I'm rambling haha but I'm glad you posted this so that hopefully players might do some introspective thinking about how the way they play could be effecting the atmosphere of the forest socially.
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We're all allowed to ramble

We're all allowed to ramble and rant here a bit for this blog as I started the storm. I deserve the slapping now. Frown

I understand what you mean, it's just hard to know who reads the community pages and who doesn't. I don't personally think adult deer get treated so negatively in the forest, as other players think that they now know better when they've grown up. People are careful around nameless deer and fawns, because they don't always know how the game works and may end up annoying others.

Ugh, it's hard when everyone should be taken to consideration. We're all so different inforest.
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This is when it's important

This is when it's important to understand the difference between OOC and IC.

OOC: Out Of Character: This is when the player is the deer. The deer they play doesn't normally act this way.

IC: In Character: When the player is playing as a character. They may not have the same view of things as their character does, and will behave toward your character (the deer you made a bio for) as a character, not toward you as a player.

My point is that you should not let IC behavior upset you personally. It is a character, not the player, and is not an attack on you. This is how a majority of people you meet will generally play. It's up to you to keep an eye out for those with only good characters, if you would like to interact in a positive way. A way to tell if your character is coming up to pictograms of positive or negative characters is if you look on the map. (it is in the top left menu on the community) You can click the player's pictogram and see who the character is.

It's unfortunate that some people don't check the map and don't know who is OOC or IC. However, right now it's the way people are playing.

(not who she's talking about, but giving advice)
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ech i feel the need to

ech i feel the need to apologize myself for having a character who's just not nice to people sometimes, especially those that just come sprinting up to say hi or just sit down next to her. i try to make up for it with epher who is a big sweetie and loves everyone but :///

I feel the need to comment

I feel the need to comment because the other day I was online but I was lagging too terribly to even interact with anybody. I sat my character down and somebody spelled her, and when I sneezed it off they seemed saddened. I felt horrible ;u; I couldn't even move, though.
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@ ApoideaBee : This is

@ ApoideaBee : This is exactly my point here. We, who read the community pages and have been in here for a while, know about bios and OOC and IC. My point is that the newbies don't know about it, and they can get hurt or discouraged when they come across these deer. I know that many people join the community after a while, but not all of us know english for example and don't understand why some deer are hostile towards them. I read bios so I know when to expect hostility from someone, but there are those who don't. I think everyone has a right to enjoy this magnificent game, but it's sad if the atmosphere is sometimes ruined by this.

@ EpherFish: Aww, don't worry about it! I think it's great to apologise. I don't mind roleplaying rude deer, as long as we know in advance that it's a jerk hahe.

@ Shadowfly: Just sneezing isn't rude, maybe the other deer just misunderstood you. The main point is that you took the other player's feelings into consideration uWu <3
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Tuo's picture

Everyone has their own ways

Everyone has their own ways of enjoying the forest, which indeed, holds no set rules. I dont see why people should be apologizing how their character naturally acts towards strangers, who are more than often, quite pushy. Most of my characters dont like that among others, and it would be nice if that could be taken into consideration as well before pointing with the judging finger if youre not cuddly with the new players.

I think there is enough good 'role models' in the forest for newbies, this is not a new topic to discuss about. How about just letting everyone enjoy the forest with their own way as long as its not outright trolling *coughseabisquit* and intentionally bothering others. There will be even more 'rude' characters, there will be more nice ones, and there will be newbies and everything will stay just the same, with or without these blogs. If the newbies are so sensitive that they will shy away after a few negative interactions, then I doubt this being the right place for them to begin with since this game has developed to what it is these days.

My apologies if I sound irritable, it was not my intention. Occationally I might play with a clear newbie in the forest when Im on with my OOC, but I dont want to feel forced to do that when I want to sit in solitude or spend time with my current companion instead. Clearly everyone can and will feel differently about this topic, but this was just my two cents amongst the others.
Mary13's picture

*hides under bed* Wow, harsh

*hides under bed* Wow, harsh words but you're right. I know I'm not going to change anything with this blog, but I just want everyone to THINK the next time they ignore or are rude to someone in the forest, if it's truly necessary. But about being sensitive, people are different about that too and we should respect it as well. You can't just spit in somebody's face and later blame it on their sensitiveness. This should be a game meant for everyone to enjoy as there's finally no violence or swearing like in most online games. But it's truly hard to think about everyone here. Sad I do let the players play as they like, I just want them to be conscious of others and their feelings.
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Like I said, it was not my

Like I said, it was not my intention to sound irritable or harsh either. Im sorry if my response made you feel uncomfortable. Just my two cents like stated before.
Mary13's picture

Nah, I don't get hurt easily

Nah, I don't get hurt easily so don't worry about it. And I really appreciate it that you share your opinion on this subject, that's why this blog is here. Besides, even if you weren't, sometimes you have to be harsh to get a point across.
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