Pictograms: New Gen Predictions?

MissButterflyCaught's picture
Hey. I am looking at the pictos right now, and it seems like they all look VERY similar at the moment.

Anybody have predictions on a new generation?? It seems we are in need of one.

Anyone sent a note to M&A saying we are running low on combos, either?
Flyleaf's picture

Agrees ! I can not tell who

Agrees ! I can not tell who is who because they all are looking too similar !
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Starling's picture

I predict they will just get

I predict they will just get uglier and uglier by the generation.

Frown
Flyleaf's picture

Yes , for sure . They will

Yes , for sure . They will get cmplexer and complexer !
Not like all these beautiful Gen 1 pictos !
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What Starling said.

What Starling said.
quadraptor's picture

I think it's a little early

I think it's a little early to even consider this. It took years before they ran out of the 1st gen pictos.

Next generation they'll be

Next generation they'll be nothing but profane symbols.
(just kidding haha)


I think a lot of the second gen. pictos were really lovely to be honest, so I don't think third gen. pictos will be all that terrible Smiling
M&A like to keep the Forest pretty and artsy so I'm sure they'll come up with some nice bits and pieces.
Unplugged's picture

Well if they'll be one thing

Well if they'll be one thing then it's being incredibly hard to make!
I mean, imagine that. Three generations, all suposed to be different from each other yet fit into the big picture, with each generation having over 50.000 combinations that are all supposed to be completely distinguishable from each other. Make that 150.000 with three gens.
Seriously, as un-pretty as the Gen2s might look, M&A did a mighty good job with those. And Starling's prediction is actually very realistic there, unless they decide to turn the whole system around and pull some magic card out of their sleeves.

[e]: quad I wouldn't be so sure... last time I looked we already were over half of them afaik.
[e]: okay so I just looked, about 43525 apparently. my "system" might be flawed though so I take no credit here. ((if anyone cares I can show how to see this, it's far from being a secret))
Starling's picture

-grumble- I've been on a few

-grumble-

I've been on a few websites before, where as if your account is inactive for a certain period of time, it becomes disabled, also meaning that any other new member can take that username again. Imagine if M and A did this, and the usernames being the Gen1 picto's. This way all the Gen 1's that are no longer being used can be recycled. They can leave out the Gen 2's, no one really cares about those.

>_> Hahah.

Although there a few Gen2's which do look very nice. I found one which I liked. Not the best, but it's very simple. This is another really weird one I got on the night they released. Looks seriously messed up in-game though rofl.

[edit] Woah Unplugged. Can you tell me how you did that?
quadraptor's picture

I don't understand how that

I don't understand how that can be possible. I don't get how within a year and a half there's already 25,000 pictos used up.

Feels like it was just yesterday when we 'ran out of pictograms'

Give M&A some credit. They did what they could to make the pictograms unique. I honestly don't see what the big deal is, I've seen prettier Gen 2 pictos than Gen 1s.
Kuziifish's picture

I've seem a lot that look

I've seem a lot that look similar to one another.. there are several out there that are similar to mine, but since I see it all the time, I can see the differences. I saw one earlier that was the EXACT same as another deer except it was missing just one line. As much as I like the gen.1 pictos, the gen. 2s aren't so bad. They do seem to lack something, but still not horrible.

Quad: I think it's all these people who make multiple accounts, especially when they don't use them. I have only two accounts, the other I plan to use a little more once my fawn is grown. But think about it.. how many accounts does everyone have?? 2 here.
Starling's picture

Quote:Give M&A some credit.

Quote:
Give M&A some credit. They did what they could to make the pictograms unique. I honestly don't see what the big deal is, I've seen prettier Gen 2 pictos than Gen 1s.


So true, it must have been hard to make those. But it's hard not to admit that the Gen 2's are basically just a mess of lines/squiggles mashed up together. Though as I said, there are a few that are nice. I have to agree with you on your last part too. Sometimes I forget how ugly some of the Gen 1's were, because the only ones you see running around today are really nice.
Unplugged's picture

Yeah, i believe the "M"s

Yeah, i believe the "M"s especially were just a far to complex figure to incooperate them into the system.


I use Firefox and it's in german so this is freely translated, but Starling, if you go to the register page, right click on the page, chose "current frame" and then "show frame source code".

Or shorter version, here and check source code. You should be able to see the True Names next to a number. 1 is always the newest. In theory this number should equal the amount of pictos registered.
It's neat because this way you can find out how early you registered, by searching your true name Sticking out tongue
Starling's picture

Oh that's awesome! Thankyous.

Oh that's awesome! Thankyous. Am I reading this right? I see 44115 on mine... surely there haven't been that many people registered since you checked 8_8

[edit] Oh wait, you said you system might be flawed, or something. I just scrolled down to the very last 'usedSymbols' part and that was the number.
Unplugged's picture

Yes but if you look at the

Yes but if you look at the True Names the last few are gen1s and empty registers. M&A testing I assume. :b The very last gen2 is the 43525 one.
Starling's picture

Hmm. This may just entertain

Hmm. This may just entertain me for a while. /forever looking though them
Deyna's picture

The Gen1 have just as many

The Gen1 have just as many messy pictograms as the Gen2 in my opinion - it's just a more geometric looking mess Sticking out tongue

I'm hoping maybe the next generation M&A will put a limit on how many accounts one person can have. It would make players alot more dedicated to their pictos if they knew they couldn't make more accounts on a whim.
quadraptor's picture

I agree. I understand making

I agree. I understand making new characters but I feel like some people are turning pictograms into some kind of commodity. I'm honestly really only attached to four of my pictograms, the others I have can be given away but noone wanted them on the sole basis that they're gen 2 pictograms.
Unplugged's picture

Haha Denya, that's true

Haha Denya, that's true though. Sticking out tongue

And I think that would be a good idea, I wonder how they'd go about that. X pictos per e-mail? that system would still be full of loopholes though.

As a frantic picto-hoarder myself, I hope to give my leftover gen2s to other people at some point. I have a few nice-looking ones.
MissButterflyCaught's picture

Unplugged, I am a hoarder

Unplugged, I am a hoarder like you. I do also hope to give away my gen 2s to others... I search for good ones often.

I also would like to see an ugly Gen 1.... I find them all very pretty.
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Scythe's picture

I don't really have an answer

I don't really have an answer to the question that you posed, but I guess that I can touch on a couple of the topics that were addressed here. If not for anyone but myself. *shrugs*

I honestly don't care for many of the second generation pictograms, but I think that M&A did a great job considering.

However, while I love some of the first generation pictograms, I still, too, remember seeing some that were horrendous. I only claimed a few second generation pictos for myself, but some of them, (Marluxia's, for example), can be as pretty as some of the first generation ones. It was just a matter of patience in finding them.

That being said, I am noticing that a lot of them are starting to look eerily similar to one another.

As for the idea of having inactive accounts disabled, perhaps it's selfish of me, but I'd rather not see that happen. Yes, I have a lot of accounts, but people that know me know that I still make use of every one of them and I'd hate to find one suddenly taken from me because I hadn't played the character for x amount of time. I think that it would also pose a problem for people who leave for an extended period of time and eventually come back. And would this be a matter of community site inactivity or in-game inactivity? Because a lot of people have several deer/accounts in-game, but link them all to one main account here.

Aanndd I'm babbling. I saw that coming.

I think that there will come a time when we run out of pictograms again, but I honestly don't know if we've already come close to that point or not. The Endless Forest's popularity has increased significantly, (just look at all of the new faces around here), so it's only a matter of time. I just wonder if a new generation is possible and what it'd look like.
MissButterflyCaught's picture

*hugs Scythe* THANK YOU

*hugs Scythe* THANK YOU
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Starling's picture

When I said about the

When I said about the inactive accounts, I meant like a long period of time before they were deleted. The site I have been on before which did a similar thing deleted my account well after a year, because I had an email being sent through. Although I did also get a notification beforehand saying something like "If you do not log into your account within the next week, then it will be permanently deleted" etc etc.

Although now I'm thinking about it, it probably wouldn't work out. In Unplugged's quotes blog, I remember reading something along the lines that M&A see the different generations counting towards the whole "story" of the endless forest or something. So to see generations being recycled, would ruin the whole thing.

Don't worry. I am also babbling. shfjkrsd it's my hobby.
Unplugged's picture

I never liked my Flies much

I never liked my Flies much which is why I kept it when registration was closed, though it's now used by uwharrie's Jade. sorry jade. 8[
Cruner isn't particularly outstanding either. it was adopted back then. There's been just as much clicking through pictos and being picky as there is now.
Right now I own 5 Gen1s, which is probably a lot by current standarts. One is in use, three I can't part with and I don't want to give away ThisOne because it looks like Misako's deceased Poltergeist.


Again, the effort that has to be put into the designing and implemention of pictograms is enormous, and as many "problems" as there are with Gen2s, big big kudos to M&A because they did a great job. I love many of my Gen2s and I definitely don't want to push TOT for a new generation when there's about 7000 still left.
Starling's picture

You had a really pretty one

You had a really pretty one which you so kindly gave to me, and yet I gave it away because I stopped using it. Still to this day do I regret that. 3 was an active user at the time, using that picto, but now she does't and I'm so godamn annoyed sjdsjsdfrt. I still hate myself for that. I wish I had just given it back to you.
Deyna's picture

Recycling pictos also really

Recycling pictos also really couldn't apply to previous generations, since they can't be registered with anyways, and in turn would be unfair to the newer ones.

Edit:

My own Gen1 is pretty ugly, but when I registered I was under the impression we had to stick with the first one that automatically came up because it was our "chosen" one (For some reason I overlooked the "Random" button Sticking out tongue ).

In contrast, I found this Gen2 in forest and went green with envy because (in the game at least), it looks like the head of a kitten, which I have a soft spot for Laughing out loud
MissButterflyCaught's picture

Unplugged, I do like Cruner

Unplugged, I do like Cruner and Flies both.

I just feel like the pictos are getting too similar, whether it is a problem with the randomization system or just too few bits to make a picto.
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Unplugged's picture

Starling I know. All 9 I gave

Starling I know. All 9 I gave away back then are not active at all (I've seen Mistgabel recently though). :/

/thread derail
WonderfullySarcastic's picture

As far as ugly first gen.

As far as ugly first gen. pictos, just take a look at my profile here :/ Four years ago, I was obsessed with keys, locks and what not. Four years ago, my oldest and first picto looked like a key hole of sorts. Not anymore.
Though I still use this account with that picto here at in the community, I've switched my deer's picto to this second gen.:
http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/pictogram.php?username=Isaita

Yea, I forgot how to make a link, but I don't want to bother waiting for a site full of tutorials on this computer to load.
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Verdalas's picture

In my opinion, I can see M&A

In my opinion, I can see M&A clearing the current shapes entirely and maybe starting something new with filled shapes. It's hard to predict though, but I'm sure many of them could be quite lovely.

When I chose Walter's picto, I picked the first one that came up. I didn't even know I could randomise it. And while it's had it's fair share of lookalikes, it's not often you see Gen 2 pictos with clear defining shapes and not jumbled messes.

Walter may not have an amazing, stand-out pictogram, but you can't deny that some pictograms like Cutlery and Nirvana do look nice. And that's why I made sure to keep some spare Gen 1s in case. :3

EDIT: Oops, messed up my coding. Fixed!
Starling's picture

I want the knife and fork ;^;

I want the knife and fork ;^; haha
Tullow's picture

I agree that some pictos look

I agree that some pictos look the same, but it's the same for both first gen and second gen from what I have seen myself. Although this is coming from someone who has never understood the love for first generation pictograms, since I'm pretty happy with the 'face/mask' second gen pictograms I got for myself. X3;

/tracking this to write

/tracking this to write coherent thought later on either this account or the other
Ourania's picture

I agree with a lot of the

I agree with a lot of the current pictos looking the same. The Xs, Ms and lines get so jumbled up you can't tell who's who. I like a lot of the square and triangle ones like WonderfullySarcastic linked and the ones with ~s in them. I am anxious to see what the Gen 3 ones will look like, just out of sheer curiosity ;3
Kuziifish's picture

It would also be nice if we

It would also be nice if we could somehow make our own. For something that isn't as recognizable as text, I know it is probably impossible.. but have set pieces and have a set amount of how many you can use at a time.. I don't know, just throwing it out there. I don't see all the hype over gen. 1s.. BUT, I do LOVE the swirls. If I could have one with swirls, even if it was just one, I would be in love, lol.

I gotta say, when I made my second account with the gen. 2.. After awhile of going through the pictos.. they seemed to repeat themselves.. I think that may be another problem.. I got bored with looking, so I assume other people would too. I eventually stuck with this for Runki. It's simple, but I saw several that looked quite like it. There was something about it though that just said, "HAPPY!!" Lol. I have seen several in forest with the two upper rounded pieces, but not with both the top and bottom.

Just another idea.. maybe we could change them, and the one we no longer use are put into a "bank" were others can look for them and reuse them?

I don't know. It would just be nice though if people (not that I am judging) would just stick to a couple.. I'd say... four at most, and not get anymore, I'm sure there are tons out there that have been taken and aren't being used at all anymore. Say for example, someone stops using their email address that they registered their account for.. why are those ones just sitting there, not being used, and nothing is being done about it? I forgot who said it on here, but the idea of sending an email (or two) saying, "If you don't log in within this amount of time, your account will be deleted," that's a good idea. I say it sucks because when I was a kid I would get grounded for LONG periods of time, so the time frame of when it hasn't been used and when you would need to log in would have to be pretty large in order to be fair.
Dampir's picture

I don't like 2nd Gen pictos

I don't like 2nd Gen pictos where is a lot of lines and it is hard to remember and you can meet someone with similar - the worst if owner is a fawn yet and you want to meet him/her again and recognize him/her, then it can be problem.
1st gen has some prettier and uglier symbols too, but it's really easier to remember than some of 2nd gen. Pity that when I tried to join TEF when there was 1st gen yet, something was wrong with registration page and I couldnt get one for me - I like those pictos. Then I was back to registration page in March last year and get this one from new generation. I didnt know that I can use "random pictogram" button to change picto, so I can say that I was lucky getting this one - easy to remember, and nice.
ickydog's picture

I would have to agree with

I would have to agree with pictos looking similar. I've noticed quite a few that I can't readily distinguish from one another.
As far as gen.1 vs gen.2 pictos, I happen to LOVE my gen. 2 pictos! I think I got a little lucky, though. My first picto is simple and reminds me of a buck - head down with antlers. I adore it!
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Mr.Sanguine's picture

I have one gen one that I

I have one gen one that I received as a gift from a friend. It's rather sharp, I do like it but...
haha if I were a better artist, I'd try and get one I really liked for Mr.Sanguine. His current gen 2 is nice and all but...

I'm not going to lie, the gen 2 pictograms just bother me. They're so geometrical and line-y they don't feel natural, they feel very mechanical, very not-foresty.

From what I've noticed, the

From what I've noticed, the Gen 2 pictos are based off of runes. Or at least, that's what I noticed when I happened to be looking runes up.

Even so, they're all incredibly cluttered and just plain ugly looking. It takes me forever to find any decent ones, and even then, they're all only semi-decent at best. They lack the beauty and smooth flow of Gen 1.

Unfortunately, I had no clue that you could actually pick what pictograms you had, and so I was stuck with two Gen 1 pictos that I'm not very fond of. Can't trade them or give them away though; they're tied to the first two characters I ever played here, and so they have a special place with me. I've been very lucky to get two that I truly love.

However, it makes me wish that I had been smart enough to hoard some Gen 1 before registration was disabled. I get so upset now when I see a gorgeous Gen 1, and it's either already been claimed, or there's a catch for it. (I.E. Art, or another Gen 1). I know I've complained about this before, but it seems that Gen 1 pictos are nothing more than currency now, and that irks me more than anything. :/

If anything, if they're forced to go into a Gen 3, they'll probably be twice as hideous as they are now. And oh, how the value of Gen 1 will be jacked up even further. It'll be damn near impossible to get them after Gen 3, because the requirements to get one will be so much more stringent.
Unplugged's picture

hmm I just thought, it's very

hmm I just thought, it's very unfortunate actually, what social side-effects the "generations" create. it seems unavoidable though

I will brutally admit right

I will brutally admit right here and now; I have a tendency to cold shoulder deer with Gen 2 pictograms, unless they do something to catch my attention, they sit with me for a long time, or they continuously seek me out.

I have a tendency to correlate Gen 2 with newcomers that either won't be around for very long, or just really don't know what they're doing. I get frustrated when someone is just spamming emotes, or will only sit with me for a few seconds. I understand that I'm boring, and oftentimes grumpy anyway, but still. It's one of those things that irks me.

There was supposed to be more here, but my brain has since derailed. Again.

I told you I was going to be brutal.
Aranyani's picture

Well, only M&A can say with

Well, only M&A can say with 100% sure if we need the new generation or not.
-formerly Silensia-
Mr.Sanguine's picture

Quote:And the new wawe of

Quote:
And the new wawe of fan-deers will swamp the community.


What does that have to do with the topic of this conversation?
Aranyani's picture

sorrysorrysorry....

sorrysorrysorry....
-formerly Silensia-
Deyna's picture

Exactly. The original topic

Exactly. The original topic is about predictions of a new generation, not comparing the amount of ulgy and pretty in Gen1s and Gen2s or anything else.

Shame on all of us for getting sidetracked with our opinions!

Smiling

I was wondering what a gen. would look like with Forest symbols instead of abstract ones. Like Leaves/trees/fish/flowers/etc.

I have a tendency to

I have a tendency to correlate Gen 2 with newcomers that either won't be around for very long, or just really don't know what they're doing. I get frustrated when someone is just spamming emotes, or will only sit with me for a few seconds.


This.

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Hm, if they were to make a new gen of pictograms I think they should go with more simple desgins, not sticking with for example, the M, and then throwing a whole load of other symbols around them. Yes: simple ones are they way to go for me! I must admit I adore my first ever pictogram, it feels just perfect to me! ( Too lazy to code it - http://taleoftales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/pictogram.php?username=Magestic25&bgcolor=786756 ) If they made more like these I think the new pictograms would be great 8D.

Oops, ment to comment with

Oops, ment to comment with this account. Re-tracking. (To get this straight I am Magestic24)
MissButterflyCaught's picture

They actually do have a lot

They actually do have a lot of those pictos at the moment. I feel like you could only go so far with them, though.
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