Not The Endless Forest

Useless posts and blogs - 1) Role playing blogs, if you have one, that's great. But four or more, that is just a waste.
2) "I want you to know... I love you" blogs, that's great but useless.
3) "OMAI HELLO" blogs, it's fantastic you want to tell your friend hello, but can you just talk to them on MSN or something?
4) There is SO much more.

Picture section - 1) Pictures of your human deer. Yes, we get you want to show what your human deer looks like... But can you not draw them looking 'sexy'. There are younger viewers, and their parents wont like this. Even a link is unsafe.
2) Pictures that are not even TEF related.
3) There is more, but I cannot quite grasp it.

Stereo Types - (Please excuse this section, it's more of a rant.)
1) Shy deer. "Oh, I am a shy deer! I hide out in the birch forest and cower at every deer I see!" I don't want to be rude but that is what most people do. I understand it's the character, but it can be uncomfortable and confusing for some.
2) Tough and Mr. Grumpy! "I am naturaly agressive, stay out of my way!" Not a great excuse to new players, sorry.
3) The dark past deer/immortal/"Special". "I am imortal. I am special, I'm a werewolf-deer. I am deaf and blind, oh and I cannot speak!" Yes, rping... It's your character, but really it seems like a cry for attention.
4) A lot of more, like 'emo' deer, ect.

Wannabe moderators-
They usually whine to the Creators about how there is no balance, when they are one of the sources for it. I can name some, but wont.

The forest has changed, and maybe it's just going through a phase. Who knows.

Taps microphone Testing 1,

Taps microphone
Testing 1, 2, 3. Testing 1, 2, 3.

Key word right there.
Yuissarian's picture

Yes. TESTING OUR NERVES

Yes. TESTING OUR NERVES
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Serynn's picture

I'm following Fayne. I

I'm following Fayne. I disagree with the OP, but that's all I'm saying. Bye, people. Smiling
Fenqua's picture

Like always I can't keep my

Like always I can't keep my mouth shut.

Who the hell are you to decide what is not TEF and what is not allowed her? Personally I think you're acting like some fake moderator telling us what we should post and what we shouldn't. You don't have the right to say what's useless and what's not.

I don't mind people stating their opinions, but I don't like the tone of this blog. It's not like: 'I think this and that is not right' but more like 'This and that is useless' which gives a total different impression. Do you really think creating a special account and posting a blog with all the things YOU think are useless is going to change anything? I think that's a little arrogant of you.

But to keep it useful, I'll reply to the points you have stated:

1. Roleplaying blogs - I don't see them that much to be honest, most of them get deleted when they die out and replaced by fresh ones. So the page isn't spammed by roleplay blogs actually. Updates and biographies are seen more frequently.

2. 'Love' blogs - Actually, I haven't seen any of those in a while, so it's not worth mentioning.

3. 'OMAI HELLO' blogs - Same thing, don't see them frequent enough to get annoyed by it. Don't forget most of us are cheery, hyper teenagers and sometimes we just like to make a blog for the heck of it. What's wrong with having some fun once in a while? Those aren't spamming the page either.

About the pictures, yes there are some non-TEF related pictures, but most of them are just artwork of our players. Besides this being deer community, it's also an artistic community and there's nothing wrong with showing some of your work once in a while. Be a bit flexible!
And mature stuff? I haven't seen anything shocking. Besides, children have parents, they carry the responsibility for what is seen on the Internet. We don't. Not that we can spam the page with porn, but I hope you get my point without having to explain it any further.

Stereo types - They exist, really. There wouldn't be much fun and amusement without them, plus, they're fun to play. TEF is a magical setting, but a setting only! We are free to do with our characters as we please and explore their possibilities.

So there. No community is perfect and changes can't be forced. Things go the way things go and if you don't like it, I would recommend you to leave. Sadly I don't see another option.



To pray is to believe, to believe is to purify one's soul


To pray is to believe, to believe is to purify one's soul
Yuissarian's picture

Looks like this ol' timer

Looks like this ol' timer better leave before we jump the bandwagon...or I do. IM HAVIN A BLAST. BRING IT ON MR.MAKESHIFTER!
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Avani ilu and completely

Avani ilu and completely agree 8'D

-- Dannii <3

D: I leave you guys alone

D: I leave you guys alone for a few hours and look what happens! lmao

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Verycrazygirl's picture

I'd hate to say this,

I'd hate to say this, considering you guys are gonna hate me for it, but I think this person has some points to share here. . .
I must say I even agree with some of them.

The reason why I do not voice myself on the community site is because of what's taking place here right now.

People ganging up on others.
An entire group of people, pointing their fingers, disregarding the over all message and just saying "you're bad!"

...

Yuissarian's picture

I love when people start to

I love when people start to complain like this. I can always force it back^_^ *drank to much tea..*
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Ohgod now I REALLY want to

Ohgod now I REALLY want to share my opinion butIwontlol<3

-- Dannii <3

Did I say I wanted to change

Did I say I wanted to change anything? Eye

Funny how people all go into their cliques and agree with 'em. 'Nough, said, now time to see my old friends from the forums. Laughing out loud It was before your time, kiddies, wouldn't understand.
Yuissarian's picture

Thats what happened to me

Thats what happened to me with the zombie deer fawn thing. I have to agree agian. BUT MAN, IS THIS"TOUGH GUY" ANNOYING.
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Ohaithar. It appears we

Ohaithar.
It appears we joined around the same time them, what....almost two years ago?
Hm. Very good times.
Of course I won't voice my opinion here, but welcome back. XD;
And all I can say is, that times have changed. *shrug*
IoRez's picture

I'm surprised by the

I'm surprised by the response to this post. Way to show tolerance and empathy, gang. "You can leave if you don't like it" is the war cry of the exclusionists. Many of NotTEF's points are pefectly valid, regardless of how long she/he has been a registered user.

I happen to agree on many of these points. Hardly anyone around here criticizes this sort of self-centered jackassery because the majority are little girls or young women or ladies and they think it's all just adorable. Many of them read Twilight and unironically call it "literature". But I think that we can do a little better than this, and I think it took some guts to point out some of the beyond annoying shortcomings of this so-called "community site".

re: non-blogs - OK HAI. check yr thing. and click my dragon. (larf)

re: human deer pictures - I think this is beyond lame. Who cares? Keep your pitiful make-out fantasies to yrselvzkthx.

re: characters - I'm the emo poet and deaf murderer weretiger/deer-prince from space! I'm also shy AND Grumpy, even though I am undefeatable in battle and immortal. And sometimes a human - here is a picture.

A tip to any who take offense - grow a sense of humor. If you can't laugh at yourself, you may be a douchebag.


Yorres, Lightbringer
Verycrazygirl's picture

Well said, IoRez.

Well said, IoRez. Smiling

Kinsmate's picture

Jus! We have Rez on our

Jus! We have Rez on our side. Well to my point we do.
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Aaren's picture

I completely agree with you

I completely agree with you IoRez. What I just saw in some these posts were ridiculous.
Her's picture

+1 LIFE FOR IO. I laughed at

+1 LIFE FOR IO.
I laughed at all of those FSJGSJFA. -highfive-

...FOR JUSTICE.
I'll take the appropriate action.

I can't help but express

I can't help but express that not ALL human deer pictures are as you've described...please don't lump my art in with face-sucking hormonal displays? OK?

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Iorez-Very well put, heh. I

Iorez-Very well put, heh. I can't say much other than that, besides, of course-
IoRez's picture

No offense meant, Tera.

No offense meant, Tera. Obviously I was exaggerating for effect. In the margins we do have some great art, but another shirtless anime boy with impossible hair I can do without.



Yorres, Lightbringer
Fenqua's picture

I just stated that his way

I just stated that his way of putting it is very... rude in my opinion. It's not clear that he is expressing an opinion, because he gave me the impression he's trying to tell us what we can or what we can't do on this site. But I won't further discuss this, because now it's clear to me.

And despite his complaints and the fact they aren't that idiotic, I'm going to stick with what I said. If he doesn't like it, he can leave anytime he want. Really. Because what else is there to do? Don't get me wrong, I'm an idealistic person but a community evolves in a way you can't force. And people that feel like they're not fitting in anymore, that's very sad, but what can we do? This is a free community. There we no real rules stated by M&A as far as I know, so people are actually free to post what they want. The majority decides how it's going to look on here. And probably the majority is a bunch of teenage Twilight readers Eye

Maybe the biggest shortcoming is the freedom we got. The freedom to post whatever we can and whatever we want. My suggestion is to be a little more tolerant, even if you don't like it. But if anyone has a better idea about how we could solve this problem, I'm open for anything. Please let me hear, I'm very curious. And that's not sarcasm, because I realize there might be people out there with ideas I haven't thought of.

Oh, by the way. You said you weren't going to change anything. But what is the use of stating a problem without having any possible solutions or feeling motivated to solve the problem? Or should I consider this some sort of vent?



To pray is to believe, to believe is to purify one's soul


To pray is to believe, to believe is to purify one's soul
Her's picture

If you ignore it, it goes

If you ignore it, it goes away, people. |D

...FOR JUSTICE.
I'll take the appropriate action.
IoRez's picture

I think that the introdution

I think that the introdution of the very idea that not everyone is okay with this sort of drivel was the primary point of this post and my reply. As you point out, this is a community and everyone has an opportunity to share their thoughts on how we could make it a better place and to engage the community as a whole. You don't have to agree or disagree. As you also point out, M&A have the only authority over content, so what solution am I supposed to offer exactly? Further, a lack of a suitable compromise doesn't mean that I suddeny have to accept these shortcomings, or that I have to like them, or that I must remain silent. I don't intend to ever tell anyone here what to do or not do, but I will joyfully ignore and ridicule such content. You offer no other solution yourself, so perhaps we are both merely engaged in a sharing of ideas an opinions.

If you take offense, it's quite likely that you either currently or in the past engaged in these actions which vex some of us. If you don't like it when someone points out that maybe this sort of behavior is juvenile and annoying, you could always just leave.

XD Just kidding, but do you see how dismissive that is? BTW - in my experience, being honest is nearly always tantamount to rudeness, but I'd rather be clear and rude than meaningless and inoffensive.


Yorres, Lightbringer
dietywolf's picture

in most cases, I TRY to

in most cases, I TRY to support opinion but here I am very neutral, therefore I will try to speak for both sides. It's great your trying to help the community and all, it really is but alot of the things you said came out in a way I feel is rather regardless of other people's feelings EX: "I want you to know... I love you" blogs, that's great but useless." and "Role playing blogs, if you have one, that's great. But four or more, that is just a waste." some people actually grow close really close relationships in this game and that is just really kinda rude for you to say it is "useless", and Role playing is the reason TEF was even created! TEF is people role playing as a deer, not a person in deer skin. so I think they should be able to make as many as they want, but in most cases people just update bio's so there is really no problem anyway. It is also really awesome that you are taking in the thought of younger players but if I know anything about parents they would probably hover over them if they are under 13, and it is not often (or not at all) that people post things that can be considered "sexy" as you put it. People who join TEF are mostly rather artistic, many having an account on DeviantArt (including myself) and want to submit pictures that are not completely related to TEF and I understand how you feel but a little flexibility is not too bad is it? some people just wish to promote their artistic ability. I do not wish to get into your ranting on stereotypes because I simply would be off putting and I will excuse that section. I really do understad you are just trying to help the community but can you just state your reasons a little less harshly?


And for GOD'S SAKE don't tell me you made this account JUST so you could rant about TEF's community...
toboe's picture

...lol.

...lol.

Everyone is getting way to

Everyone is getting way to defensive
dietywolf's picture

toboe: Zomg was that to me?

toboe: Zomg was that to me? well then.... lol, I always talk more than I must xD
Draak's picture

....you know I get the

....you know I get the feeling this is directed at me :\

Why?

I drew that naked Draak just to see if Michael or Auriea would notice.

I have a shy deer.
I have the "Tough and Grumpy" AND a "werewolf deer"
I dont make rp blogs but I participate in them..well Dannii's.

You know if you had some courage you'd just tell me outright, dont be such a damn coward. Just hurry up and rant to my face about it.
That goes for anyone else too, since I seem to be getting in trouble lately with everyone ._.

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IoRez's picture

Y'know, I like you Draak.

Y'know, I like you Draak. And you have the balls to admit it and call us out on our own BS.
Kudos!


Yorres, Lightbringer
Draak's picture

Uh...thanks?

Uh...thanks? 8D
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endorianki's picture

I disagree on all of these

I disagree on all of these points, I'm mad that you said this, but I don't really care anymore about you complaining. You can complain, sure, but it's not like everybodys listening.

As long as you don't actually make these changes to The Endless Forest, I'm fine with ignoring your opinions.
Yuissarian's picture

I think everyone would be,

I think everyone would be, Mere.
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