PICTOGRAPHS The Importance and Components of Our Names
INTRODUCTION
Here I'll be exploring pictographs as if they were part of an actual language, comparing them to real-life names and real-life linguistic concepts. I'll explain it all for you and link you to Wikipedia when I don't feel like typing a huge thing out.
This idea was inspired by Hereticrick's House of O idea. Hereticrick's fawn Ohn has chosen to identify with other deer in the forest who have pictographs similar to his own, which is dominated by a large circle—an O.
THE IMPORTANCE OF NAMES IN MY CULTURE AND IN DEER CULTURE
It's very nice to have a name, don't you think? I wouldn't like it if I went through life without my own specific name (even though I've met other Alisons and a Robin or two here and there). People would still recognize me if I didn't have one, but what would they call me? Probably adjectives, and none of those would feel unique.
Names are a convenience that we take for granted. They are a special kind of sacred, a symbol of self and something in which we can take pride. Giving names is a great responsibility over which caregivers can spend a long time agonizing. It is usually agreed that there is a “right” name for an individual baby, but the trick is finding it.
I'm sure you remember when you had your pictographs given to you. The Gods would offer you one, and you would carefully look it over. If you decided that it was just right, you kept it. If it wasn't you, you could ask for a different one. I see many people, myself included, proudly brandishing our personal pictographs in our signatures and avatars, and most deer biographies link you to a page with nothing but their name on it.
Think about your Pictograph... It feels good, doesn't it? It feels right. It belongs with your deer. I bet you thought pretty carefully about naming your deer, too. I can't imagine my La being called anything else.
Some people were so important in the shaping of the world that the mention of their names becomes deeply powerful. Abraham Lincoln—I hear his name and I think of the Gettysburg Address and the Emancipation Proclamation. I hear the name Crazy Horse, and I think of a man who stood up to defend his people and his culture. Conversely, when I hear the name Adolf Hitler, I feel a great anger and a deep sadness. Have you ever met anyone named Hitler? I haven't. I think they all changed their names. Similarly, I've never met anyone named Judas. Who wants to name their child after a man who is arguably the most famous traitor in the Western World? Even non-Christians would probably be reluctant to call their kid Judas.
LANGUAGES THAT PICTOGRAPHS SORT OF LOOK LIKE
“Our pictographs look like petroglyphs” is a fun tongue twister, and it's also quite true. Our pictographs are made of a combination of lines (curved or straight) and shapes. All strokes are the same width, which separates us from languages like Chinese or Japanese. Likewise, the complexity of the pictographs separates us from the Latin Alphabet, the Greek Alphabet, the Cyrillic alphabet, and other such writing systems. Arabic, while a beautiful and flowing script, is too connected and always appears to be moving. In the end I could find no writing system that really resembled the look of our Pictographs though Bengali, Thai, Korean, Ancient Egyptian, and Hebrew came closest in my opinion.
Update: PLK217 pointed out that many glyphs resemble letters from the Runic Alphabet, and I have to agree with him.
ON PICTOGRAPH SIMILARITIES BETWEEN DEER: SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT
I took a second look at Japanese. I had already decided that our pictographs don't look much like Japanese at all, this time I was looking less at the writing for aesthetics than the structure of an individual kanji. A kanji is a single character in Japanese with a specific meaning and not just a sound reading. The character for fish is sakana. The characters for whale and lobster (two of many possible examples) have the fish character incorporated into them.
Yes, yes, I know that whales and lobsters aren't fish, but they are animals living in the water, and I didn't make up the language. My point is that Japanese (and Chinese) use parts from other kanji to build new kanji. I often see other deer with glyphs in their Pictograph that look like my glyphs.Think of each little glyph in your Pictograph as the fish. Your entire name is like the whale or lobster. The more glyphs you have in common with someone, the more similar your names are.
If you looked at it with sounds in names that are common in my country, Alison and Alice are very similar; Frank and Fred or Bianca and Jessica are a bit similar, and Louise and Ben have no similarities.
This ties back to The House of O idea, that deer are connected to each other by their glyphs, that there are webs of pictograph “families” out there, where a deer is connected by their pictograph to many “Houses” (to borrow a term from Hereticrick). There could be a House of the Box, a House of the Tall Isosceles, a House of the Clockwise Spiral.
While each deer belongs to four Houses, the other members in their House are connected to yet more houses, and so on until it becomes clear that everyone is connected by their names.
DEFINITIONS, CONCEPTS, AND IDEAS TO CONSIDER
Etymology: The study of word origins and how words are put together to make meanings.
Glyph: Defined by Wikipedia aptly as "an element of writing: an individual mark ... that contributes to the meaning of what is written." I give glyphs arbitrary names mostly according to geometry.Do you see your pictograph as being a combination of glyphs or as an image as a whole? There's also the idea that all deer sharing a glyph may have something in common. For my purposes interpreting glyphs and pictographs, I like to think of each glyph as a morpheme.
Morpheme: A unit of language that contains a single meaning. The word "houses" has two morphemes: "house" to identify what it is, and the suffix "-s" to tell you that it is plural. Each pictograph has four glyphs, which I equate to four morphemes, though I leave it up to each player/deer to choose meaning for themselves.
Pictograph: This word and its synonym pictogram are used when talking about writing systems. A pictograph is am image that means what it looks like.Our pictographs in The Endless Forest are abstract, although some people have less abstract pictographs than others. La's pictograph, for instance, does not literally mean "two circles and two triangles." Pictographs are mostly used in modern time with warning labels, such as images of flames on flammable objects to warn people that they might catch fire. Do you see your pictograph as literal, abstract, or somewhere in between?
Reduplication: Sounds bizarre but I promise it's a word. Chances are if you aren't studying or haven't studied linguistics in the past, you've never needed to use it. Reduplication is the process of repeating a word or part of it in some way to alter meaning. It occurs in many languages across the globe. In The Endless Forest's pictograph names, I use the word reduplication to refer to scenarios in which a pictograph has two or more similar glyphs. La's pictograph, for example, has reduplicating circles and triangles. Wikipedia article with good real world examples here. Does your pictograph have any glyphs that reduplicate?
Overlapping: The connection of lack of connection between glyphs. Sometimes two glyphs can overlay and look like they are actually one. Because of this, some pictographs look like they have fewer than four. Is your pictograph all connected, or are its elements distinct? Is it somewhere in between? Not any sort of real thing, but a concept I've thought about.
AFTERWORD
I hope to have left people thinking of pictographs in a different way, or at least amused. Please let me know of any suggestions, thoughts, and comments.
My eventual goal is to catalog every glyph, but that will no doubt be a lengthy process that I will work on over time. The catalog, currently up to date, can be found here.
Since January 2014 I have been adding more information and more questions for people to think about and consider within the pictograph-language metaphor. I've cleaned up the page and tried to make it a bit more professional looking and more streamlined to deliver information more quickly.
Fainalotea made a thread discussing pictographs here.
I love you. No... seriously. This is a beautiful observation. You and Hereticrick should be applauded.
I use to wonder a lot about the old first generation pictograms when they had very obviously similar symbols before I came to the community. Though I did not look at the obvious one symbols but on when two or three symbols combined to make it look like a completely different and unique symbol in it's combination. They were rarer and to me so fascinating when two different deer had such a similar combination that only one extra symbol made them different. (It seems more common now with the second generation pictograms.) When I saw another member who was trading a first gen’ pictogram similar to my Atuutluk’s I was so tempted to trade for it and keep it for if Atuutluk ever had a fawn or to make some kind of twisted twin. lol I never did trade for it though. ^^;
I am VERY interested to see you try and make a "family tree" of sorts connecting all the pictograms. A very hard and long task but it would be simply amazing and fascinating to see your attempt. :3
Edit:
Actually, I see you meant to just "catalog the glyphs" not make a family tree. X-D But that would be neat too. ;-P
Thank you! A family tree would be cool, but it would be extremely difficult because it's more of a web. Eventually I think lists could be made where each glyph would have its deer listed, and anyone in any of the lists you're in is "family."
That is true, more like a web. It'd be near impossible really. It was a thought though. lol
I might just attempt to make a list for my own deer sometime for my own amusment. Just to see how many deer share their glyphs and who of the deer they already know. Maybe say that the more glyphs that match the closer related they could have been. Again, just for my own amusment. Not taking it seriously. lol
Now when I went to look at the source code of that page it led me to following page: http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/symbol.swf?word=LXsv
It shows the pictogram the same way, but the link is different. Instead of going on the .php site which contains the .swf file from the picto, I went directly to the .swf file.
Through this we can find out that every Pictogram is made of 4 different glyphs.
I also went further and noted that each of those four "spots" can have 1 of 15 different glyphs: first letter: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO second letter: PQRSTUVWXYZabcd third letter: efghijklmnopqrs fourth letter: tuvwxyz01234567
This means there are exactly 50 625 different pictograms per generation possible, if I calculated this right.
We got two generations of pictograms, so we should have 101 250 different pictograms in total.
Disregard that, I suck at math.
These are not case sensitive, so if you put "e" instead of "E" as first letter you will still get the same result, but if you put a "P" (or "p") there, the pictogram will "move".
There are only small differences when looking at a Gen2 Pictogram.
Let's take my picto Coordinate. http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/pictogram.php?username=Coordinate
If we take a look at its source code, we'll get following: http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/symbol2.swf?word=1Jan0
We can see that it's not called "symbol.swf" anymore, but "symbol2.swf".
Also we have ?word=1Jan0, which seems to have a fifth glyph added, but it doesn't. You got an extra "1" at the beginning. ((I don't know exactly what it does because if you change it nothing happens, but removing it makes the picto move))
Changing the word to "1Jan1" will give us this, so the glyphs and their spots work the same way as Gen1 Pictos.
I'm not sure how to calculate the amount of different picto-possibilities though..
I went with 15^4 (and then *2), but does this still work when you can't have letters of the second part on the first part? :x
I'm going through to see what the glyph possibilities are. I've been writing them all down. Anyone who would read my notes would think I'm insane:
1B: "Roof" Concave down top third
1C: Wide "T" at the top
1D: Hook 2/3 way up, pointing right
1E: Tall, centered U
1F: Straight line on top third of left border
1G: Wide arc across top, concave up
1H: Small arc concave down, right 2/3 of bottom border
Ooooh...
This one of all your awesome theories and researches really caught my interest.
Starting form the end, I also wanted to find all of the glyphs the pictographs are made of. Just for curiousness and for creating a 'dream name' -> Once I would know all the glyphs, I will be able to put the ones I like the most together so it would then be the perfect pictograph for me. (Just a side note: You know, sometimes it just happens that children are not very satisfied with the names their parents gave them and wish to change them. They just think that names don't fit them. Don't you think this might be the origin of giving nicknames? To call someone with something more fitting than the name is?) Just for my laziness and also for the 'dream name' is not enough strong motivation for me (I like the name I already have), I never pushed myself to do it.
Jumping in the middle - the similarities of the pictographs with languages. There is missing one alphabet I think that is really closer to our pictographs than Hebrew. The Runic Alphabet. I admit that some deer I have met in the Forest I nicknamed like the Rune their pictograph evoked to me.
And comparing the TEF pictographs to the languages is an interesting idea but it is also important to not only look for the visual features but for the original usage and purpose as well.
There is surly more to say, but it is late here and I don't like too long comments anyway. So for now I will quit here just with two last notes:
I do have a fitting name to my behavior.
And, before you set the task of another exploring of the Endless Forest and making another research, my deer, Silun, sends you these words: "Do not count the trees, otherwise the forest will vanish."
Please, keep it on mind.
Yeah, I have friends who aren't big on their names. It seems strange to me, but to each their own.
I will definitely add the Runic alphabet. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
Your deer Silun sounds very wise. However, I must disagree with his philosophy. To me, the best part of a clock is the gears, and how they fit together perfectly to turn. To my deer and me, the pursuit of knowledge is the pursuit of happiness. The most beautiful things in the world are not always the things you see right away.
I love this. I agonized over each and every one of the pictograms I chose to keep, feeling that they were very representative, looking for just the "right" one.
Maybe, but if so it's in the wildly obsessed mad scientist way (I have a lab coat somewhere around here). Hopefully not in a "Beautiful Mind" sort of way.
Hope you liked it. I noticed that both of your characters have the bigger dot and little dot glyphs in them and I liked that connection between them.
Toya believes your "La" picto looks like an "oculus". It reminds us of an eye, much like the scientific drawings of eyes as seen from the side in biology texts, etc. I have a fondness for any picto with circles or dots in it, so theres that.
Neat, I can dig it. I went and did some googling and I do see what you mean about the eye.
I never had an idea for what it would represent for La especially--but I picked it because all of the shapes were closed and there were no loose lines (except for that strange mark off to the side which I like because it's an anomaly). I also like it because it's a very large feeling picto that takes up the whole space.
I love you. No... seriously.
I use to wonder a lot about the old first generation pictograms when they had very obviously similar symbols before I came to the community. Though I did not look at the obvious one symbols but on when two or three symbols combined to make it look like a completely different and unique symbol in it's combination. They were rarer and to me so fascinating when two different deer had such a similar combination that only one extra symbol made them different. (It seems more common now with the second generation pictograms.) When I saw another member who was trading a first gen’ pictogram similar to my Atuutluk’s I was so tempted to trade for it and keep it for if Atuutluk ever had a fawn or to make some kind of twisted twin. lol I never did trade for it though. ^^;
I am VERY interested to see you try and make a "family tree" of sorts connecting all the pictograms. A very hard and long task but it would be simply amazing and fascinating to see your attempt. :3
Edit:
Actually, I see you meant to just "catalog the glyphs" not make a family tree. X-D But that would be neat too. ;-P
Thank you! A family tree
That is true, more like a
I might just attempt to make a list for my own deer sometime for my own amusment. Just to see how many deer share their glyphs and who of the deer they already know. Maybe say that the more glyphs that match the closer related they could have been. Again, just for my own amusment. Not taking it seriously. lol
Have fun! Let me know how it
This reminds me of something
Thorough research like this is refreshing to read, please keep looking into things I'm curious about what else you might have to show.
Thanks! The idea of all
While talking about glyphs
http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/pictogram.php?username=Soer
This is my picto. This way most people link their Pictograms.
Now when I went to look at the source code of that page it led me to following page:
http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/symbol.swf?word=LXsv
It shows the pictogram the same way, but the link is different. Instead of going on the .php site which contains the .swf file from the picto, I went directly to the .swf file.
The interesting thing is the ?word=LXsv. It defines the picto.
See what happens if we change a letter of this word:
http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/symbol.swf?word=LXev
?word=LXsv to ?word=LXev
One of the glyphs changes, and now we got ArrowDoe's picto!
Let's take this one step further. I'll be borrowing Verycrazygirl's picto.
http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/pictogram.php?username=Verycrazygirl
Check the source code and we get this:
http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/symbol.swf?word=FXlt
?word=FXlt is the "name" of VCG's picto. Even though it looks similar to Arrow's and my Picto, it only shares one part, the X as second letter.
Through this we can find out that every Pictogram is made of 4 different glyphs.
I also went further and noted that each of those four "spots" can have 1 of 15 different glyphs:
first letter: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO
second letter: PQRSTUVWXYZabcd
third letter: efghijklmnopqrs
fourth letter: tuvwxyz01234567
This means there are exactly 50 625 different pictograms per generation possible, if I calculated this right.We got two generations of pictograms, so we should have 101 250 different pictograms in total.
Disregard that, I suck at math.
These are not case sensitive, so if you put "e" instead of "E" as first letter you will still get the same result, but if you put a "P" (or "p") there, the pictogram will "move".
There are only small differences when looking at a Gen2 Pictogram.
Let's take my picto Coordinate.
http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/pictogram.php?username=Coordinate
If we take a look at its source code, we'll get following:
http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/register/symbol2.swf?word=1Jan0
We can see that it's not called "symbol.swf" anymore, but "symbol2.swf".
Also we have ?word=1Jan0, which seems to have a fifth glyph added, but it doesn't. You got an extra "1" at the beginning. ((I don't know exactly what it does because if you change it nothing happens, but removing it makes the picto move))
Changing the word to "1Jan1" will give us this, so the glyphs and their spots work the same way as Gen1 Pictos.
I hope this wasn't too complicated.
Unplugged, you are my
That is so cool, Unplugged...
I just have waaaay to much
I'm not sure how to calculate the amount of different picto-possibilities though..
I went with 15^4 (and then *2), but does this still work when you can't have letters of the second part on the first part? :x
I have just gone through all
|D
I'm going through to see what
1B: "Roof" Concave down top third
1C: Wide "T" at the top
1D: Hook 2/3 way up, pointing right
1E: Tall, centered U
1F: Straight line on top third of left border
1G: Wide arc across top, concave up
1H: Small arc concave down, right 2/3 of bottom border
lol
Ooooh... This one of all your
This one of all your awesome theories and researches really caught my interest.
Starting form the end, I also wanted to find all of the glyphs the pictographs are made of. Just for curiousness and for creating a 'dream name' -> Once I would know all the glyphs, I will be able to put the ones I like the most together so it would then be the perfect pictograph for me. (Just a side note: You know, sometimes it just happens that children are not very satisfied with the names their parents gave them and wish to change them. They just think that names don't fit them. Don't you think this might be the origin of giving nicknames? To call someone with something more fitting than the name is?) Just for my laziness and also for the 'dream name' is not enough strong motivation for me (I like the name I already have), I never pushed myself to do it.
Jumping in the middle - the similarities of the pictographs with languages. There is missing one alphabet I think that is really closer to our pictographs than Hebrew. The Runic Alphabet. I admit that some deer I have met in the Forest I nicknamed like the Rune their pictograph evoked to me.
And comparing the TEF pictographs to the languages is an interesting idea but it is also important to not only look for the visual features but for the original usage and purpose as well.
There is surly more to say, but it is late here and I don't like too long comments anyway. So for now I will quit here just with two last notes:
I do have a fitting name to my behavior.
And, before you set the task of another exploring of the Endless Forest and making another research, my deer, Silun, sends you these words:
"Do not count the trees, otherwise the forest will vanish."
Please, keep it on mind.
Yeah, I have friends who
I will definitely add the Runic alphabet. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
Your deer Silun sounds very wise. However, I must disagree with his philosophy. To me, the best part of a clock is the gears, and how they fit together perfectly to turn. To my deer and me, the pursuit of knowledge is the pursuit of happiness. The most beautiful things in the world are not always the things you see right away.
I love this. I agonized over
Thanks. It's not easy,
Whoa, intense! I love it!
Thanks Rice!
This? This is awesome right
Aw, thanks.
Woah.
*track*
I wish i knew all the symbol
Tracking! This is awesome!
Bumping with lots of edits
!!! Well... you are
Maybe, but if so it's in the
Hope you liked it. I noticed that both of your characters have the bigger dot and little dot glyphs in them and I liked that connection between them.
Toya believes your "La" picto
Neat, I can dig it. I went
I never had an idea for what it would represent for La especially--but I picked it because all of the shapes were closed and there were no loose lines (except for that strange mark off to the side which I like because it's an anomaly). I also like it because it's a very large feeling picto that takes up the whole space.