I simply don't get it!

Watchbreaker's picture
I've been here on TEF for a while, and art is apparently a big part of it. Thumbs up for that. But. Something I really don't get: I've seen amazing drawings here which rape your brain and doom you forever, but don't get any credit. I know, some "holy" people are praised for their fantastic skills, but it annoys me deeply when I see a (Sorry for the language) shitty drawing gets bunch of attention. I drew like that when I was 6! So what I don't get is why people with talented skills got less credits, and those with almost no drawing talents get a lot. It makes no sense! Is it for being nice to the person? (Then you should rather tell them that they should hone their skills and maybe how instead of lying) Or is it because that the person is popular or has been on the site for a long time? I'm not only talking about myself, even though I get a bit sad when I've worked until my arm is destroyed and nobody noctise, because I've seen tons of skilled artist who also worked their ass out with their drawings and then get nothing. Please tell me why and how!
moonsoverwater's picture

People no matter their skills

People no matter their skills get credit here. We don't ignore people with bad skills. That makes people not want to keep drawing, which is not good one bit at all.

And this sounds a little bit like butthurt, I am not going to lie to you.

Just move on and keep creating. If you get stuck on stuff like this, honestly, you will not get anywhere with your life or your art.

<3 Just move on and don't worry about credit.


(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!
Watchbreaker's picture

I just don't understand why

I just don't understand why people say "Oh, this is so amazing and good drawed" and stuff like that instead of giving a little critique, so they can get better.

I don't have any problem with my own art, I unlike other people evole all the time, so no butthurt here.
Snowsauria's picture

But is it a good idea to give

But is it a good idea to give critique unless it's asked for?
moonsoverwater's picture

Most do it because they don't

Most do it because they don't know how to critique someone. Just praise can also lead to better drawing skills... I have seen it in my art classes at school. Someone kept up with their art even until they got to the "Advanced Placement" art class and they still were not very good, but had gotten severely better from when they could only draw stick people.

Praise leads to better work.


(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!
uwharrie's picture

Anywhere in life you go and

Anywhere in life you go and anything you do in it you'll come to relieze something.
Life isn't fair.
There are plently of great people out there who will give attention, encouragement and credit to all the artists they see on here.
And of course there are some people -not necessarily bad people- who just don't. Maybe they just like looking at their friends' artwork. I don't know, I'm not going to judge them and niether should anyone else.
And i will tell you that you or anyone else will never find happiness in art if all they want is the attention of others. Sure it makes people feel great when their art gets noticed but that doesn't mean that you just get pissed when it doesn't get noticed. So what if they don't comment on your work, if you like it then why should it matter?

just saying...

"And i will tell you that you

"And i will tell you that you or anyone else will never find happiness in art if all they want is the attention of others. Sure it makes people feel great when their art gets noticed but that doesn't mean that you just get pissed when it doesn't get noticed. So what if they don't comment on your work, if you like it then why should it matter?"

I agree that you should create for yourself and for no-one else. But, you know, if you go to the trouble of creating something and posting it on here, you expect feedback. You like feedback. And sadly, the case for many people in this community is that they only get feedback from maybe one or two friends, the same ones every time, and that's it. It's discouraging - very discouraging. I personally don't know how I've just managed to write a five-part story, one that I felt was well-written, had a good story, interesting characters - and in total I got two comments on each part at the most, from about three people in total. Very discouraging.
Watchbreaker's picture

Again, I don't complain about

Again, I don't complain about not getting any comments, it's about those with bad drawings who gets a lot of comments. Well. Maybe I'll just have to live with it.

Don't kill me but to me it

Don't kill me but to me it sounds like your saying people with fewer talents shouldn't get comments or whatever. Everyone deserves comments on whatever they do/draw, no matter the quality. Even if it is a few replies, it's better than none at all.
Like mentioned, it's best to only give critique if asked for. It could come off as rude to the artist if you give it without them asking (not saying it will but you never know). Plus if I barely knew the person I wouldn't really want to tell them where to improve on.

Anyway. Hope I didn't come off as rude. Just saying my thoughts C:



Unplugged's picture

Well what would for you

Well what would for you qualify to get more comments than something else? Is it about the process or the result?
Watchbreaker's picture

I don't say they don't

I don't say they don't deserve comments, of course they do! But. Sometimes when I read those comments I get the feeling of they are overreacting or so. I am glad you guys kicked my ass and opened my eyes a bit. Hmm. It still annoys me a bit. I just hope they'll improve with time, haha!

I know what you mean. But

I know what you mean. But mostly, I haven't seen some seriously bad drawings on TEFc. Ever.
And those artists who recieves a lot of responce is normally one of those popular users on here (who really amazes me with their drawings very often). Well. That quite understandable, because they have gathered many friends and ties with each other through time, which means they also keeps an open eye more at each other than you would as a newbie.
And yes, I know it hurts when people just don't comment your stuff. Buut then again, you know: It's kinda encouraging to try to get better and better, and then, someday, people are gonna realize it for true worth. Smiling

Haha, I sound like a weirdo... |'D



Maybe you shouldn't give



Maybe you shouldn't give constructive criticism unless it's asked? Some may take what you say as an insult otherwise. I'm an artist (in the drawing category) myself and I've never asked for constructive criticism on my things, because there's nothing wrong with what I draw. I know I can improve and make changes here and there. That's really one of my main goals as a drawer.

Anyways...Why would you label some peoples' drawings as bad/shitty? Everyone has their own drawing style and not everyone can do uber-fantasmic things like detail, anatomy, lighting and coloring skills. Some don't even have an interest in having things like that in their style..

Watchbreaker's picture

EternalQueen: That's the most

EternalQueen: That's the most constructive I've readed today.

jala: If it's how thei want to draw I don't know. It just doesn't feel like they put their soul into their work, and that makes me sad an angry.

Every artist puts a piece of

Every artist puts a piece of themselves into every thing they come up with, be it a drawing, a story, a musical...anything. Just because you don't think a drawing looks good in your eyes, doesn't mean the artist didn't put heart into it.


moonsoverwater's picture

Thank you, Jala. I don't know

Thank you, Jala. I don't know how to be nice when saying things pertaining to these things. <3



(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!

Also, I mean no hostility in

Also, I mean no hostility in what I'm saying! DX Forgive any coldness in my two posts.
Kaoori's picture

I for one can't shade for the

I for one can't shade for the life of me and are still practicing anatomy. I don't think I'm being lazy with my art. I suppose it's all in the bearer's eye, however. I am constantly trying to improve on my own terms.

Okay, trying to formulate

Okay, trying to formulate this without sounding like a meanie-head. Sad

I've been here and a lot more active before; then everyone would get comments no matter how good, bad or popular. Things have changed since, yes; I've also noticed how the well-known people get a lot of feedback, while the ones more, let's say, annonymous, get less, or no feedback at all.
It's all about making yourself known.
I, myself, being pretty much silent and stalking along the posts without posting, used to get a lot more comments and general attention from the community before, when I used to post a lot.
I know some people, like myself, read and look at everything that gets posted, but rarely drop a comment. You're all a part of this. You're all loved. Everyone's art is beautiful, interesting, creative, unique. And the community loves all of it. I think people just don't post as much as earlier Smiling


The community grew, and changed, and evolved.
We all grew, and changed, and evolved. Smiling


tl;dr

Personally, as an artist

Personally, as an artist here, I obviously do expect comments when I post things here. That's the whole reasoning behind it- when you post it here, you generally want to see what the others think about your art.

As Moonlitstar said (I believe it was her) that doesn't always happen- and yes, it is incredibly sad and discouraging.

I often feel butthurt (won't lie) when I see people with better art than mine, as well as those that need improvement (but don't we all need it, really) getting more comments or whatnot than mine. I'm grateful for everyone that replies to my works, but there's always going to be the need for an ego-booster, and there won't always be one available.

I think everyone deserves comments, no matter anyone's opinions; but the more or less comments or faves or whatever you may receive, there'll always be that hunger for more. It's going to bother people either way. It always bothers me.

All you can do is let things happen as they will.

Everyone deserves everything in this community. So take what we get.


Just my two cents, not that it's even worth as much, hah.
Watchbreaker's picture

jala: I actually expected a

jala: I actually expected a waterfall of shit thrown at me when I wrote this, I'm amazed about how polite yet determined people are.

Again it was wonderful to be put in place - if that expression exist in English - and I also hope I made people think about it as much as you made me think about it. There might be some out there not putting their whole heart in their works, but I am definitely convinced that it is very very few. All of you really seem to mean what you are saying, and that just made my day, knowing that this community is filled with grown up people.

That was a refreshing, and I feel less negative when I wrote this.
(But I've got the feeling that there will be more people that want to share their oppinion in this blog, hahaha!)
Unplugged's picture

You're awesome for being so

You're awesome for being so cool about this Smiling People seem to me more okay with debates and opinions than they were some time ago and generally we as a community seem to be much more tolerant of each other. I love this.
uwharrie's picture

^ what unplugged said lol

^ what unplugged said lol
Watchbreaker's picture

Unplugged, I too love the

Unplugged, I too love the mature, loving atmosphere on this site. It think that is one of the things that makes me stay.
onyxsoulclaw's picture

OKKKKK right first off heres

OKKKKK right first off heres a plate of cookies now sit now and nom them whilst i try to explain this issue.

The game is for people of all ages and skills this can also include people with learning difficulties, wonderstars,old foggies, and under 6's.

Not everyones can draw/write/paint to a degree leval, after all we all start somewhere. This is why there is such a wide range of types shown .

People tend to coment on the less "pro" looking art as a form of constrctive/positive encouragment. It's a loving for the under dog and communitee spirit of helping others. Popel should always encourage people to express them selves through art/writing etc, it can really help people to develope.

We judge by or own standars and often see people as less good as oursleves.


If we all went round judging things yelling "thats s***" then people would become dispondant and never try and who know what they could achive in the future.

People who make more "pro art/stuff " dont normaly expect tones of comments and "wows" as they know what effect there work has and thats enough for them. also you ever read through 70 message say "amazing work" belive me get get boring after a while.

Contructive crits are fair but the one criting should also be able to show and gide where if improvmemnts need to be made, but in all honesty i recon if people try there best then it's good enough for me after all this is not the tate gallery......is it?

Let and let live, help those around you through possitive persawtion and be friendly and polite. dont be rude and dogmatic, see through that persons eyes and dont judge to your own standards. If my IT stystems where up i would happliy invite people in to a on line gallery and help them but IT is not there for me.

Not sure if the subject has

Not sure if the subject has been resolved, but I want to say this:

Never ever EVER say someones art is shitty. There is no such thing as shitty art, only beginners to the word of art. Everyone was a kid in their life, and all of us drew a bunch of circles and scribbles on paper at least ONCE.
here at TEFc, we try to give credit to the beginners AND to the experts. Its not about the art. Its about how you treat others.

First of all, I would like to

First of all, I would like to say that every comment in this thread had a lot of heart in it, and I was amazed to see how the community felt about art. Kudos to you guys c:

Second of all, it depends on what you mean by "shitty" art. You call a smudge bad, I'll call it pretty. You say there's too many lines, I say it gives it character. You say it's just circles and squares, I'll call it geometric.
No art is bad art. Beginner art deserves to be encouraged so that they can continue and progress over time.
And as for experts, I've never seen a piece of artwork that hasn't had any comments.
Nayu's picture

You’re being quite unfair in

You’re being quite unfair in your statements…

Whatever holiness and popularity you’re talking about surely has demanded lot of work and involvement, from the concerned members, into the community and the game. As for calling others, maybe less skilled works, “shitty art”, is more than uncalled-for.

There’s an huge difference between somebody posting a drawing in hope to receive feedbacks, progress- because fortunately TEFC isn’t about exclusivity, and has members willing to give attention to whoever strives to get better, or share-and doing/posting art as an artist, or someone aspiring to be one, would.

I personally find as much appreciable looking at a drawing full of beautiful emotions than a skilled piece of artwork.

There are quantity of talented people out there, and yes it sucks big time, but skills, most of the time, are maybe 60% of what is needed to get recognition, while 40% is at least as much work puts into “communication”, aka “Youtube logic” or “how do I stick out from the mass?”. Which means that you can also be great at grabbing attention and have no talent at all. So, this is how we all know who Paris Hilton is, just as this how we all know who Vincent Van Gogh is. I’d bet my hat the latter will have been just another forgotten artist if he hadn’t resorted to mutilation, and painted it.

But by all means, all ways aren’t that extremes, good or bad.

“Communication” is a vast word.

I’m sorry for sounding so moralizing, but, you know, I’ve got friends fresh out of art school who struggles to exist as artists, some are far more brilliant than what is seen displayed everywhere today, but they never whine about it. Actually they would just take paper, ink, and try to be even more creative.

Siggy by Butterbrot <3
Watchbreaker's picture

Nayu, you shall not apologize

Nayu, you shall not apologize for what you say, because it is just as right as what everyone else have wrote here.
Kaoori's picture

people that write are just as

people that write are just as much artists too, and many of them are often striving to be known and get critique as well. And those I have seen on this site improve, and put their heart into it every time they do it.
I think everyone on this site who is an artitst/writer does it because they love it, and of course everyone is looking for recognition of some sort. It's a human want, i don't think anyone is not guilty of that. But to say that artists are 'lazy' because they're not as good as others.. eh, that strikes to the core with me. I'm constantly trying to improve.

I just replied again because I can't seem to get my words right.

Just throwing my two cents

Just throwing my two cents in.

Everyone is an artist. From a three year old that just drew a line, to a forty year old who sells paintings for thousands. That's how I see things. I see the degrading, insulting, and bashing of anyone's artwork to be absolutely disguising.

So what if someone likes to make a deer sparkely or overly dark or blood covered? If they're happy with their result, why talk down to them like their art is any less than your own?
Now I can understand getting fed up with artists who are very snobby and have their heads up their own butts about how "Absolutely amazing!" their artwork is. I like to call them "Self-pushed artists" -- someone who doesn't need watchers to tell them how good their art is and goes completely overboard with their skills. (Sorry, I'm rambling. xD)

I've watched this site, and to be honest, everyone seems friendly and the art is generally well/good/fantastic. Either three of those words.

As for thinking that most skillful artists deserve more comments/praise -- let me ask you;

Are they praised for the final result, or for the hard work put into it?
For the skill or popularity that one has in the community?
Is it their shading that is praised, the lighting of the picture?
There are various things one can be praised on in a picture. Just because the 'quality' of a picture is 'not the best' does not mean they are less deserving of praise for their hard work spent (assuming they put a lot of work into it.) I found that, when I draw, without encouragement from others I start to lose interest in wanting to draw at all!

Whether the artist wants critique or not, that is up to them I believe. I've always been annoyed when someone gave critique where an artist specifically asks for no critique. (If they don't say anything, I usually assume they don't want any.)

Also, no one sees with the same pair of eyes.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Kdone. :u
(Wow I said a lot.. xD) :3

must stop editing When I

must stop editing

When I first started drawing. My art was very mediocre. My art is still not nearly as wonderful as many others.
It takes longer to create art than you might think. We can't all bust out wonderful works in a few moments. We can't all spend hours on something and make it nice either.
Watchbreaker's picture

But I've seen your work

But I've seen your work evolve very quick lately.