May 28, 2011 - 3:39pm — Watchbreaker
I've been here on TEF for a while, and art is apparently a big part of it. Thumbs up for that. But. Something I really don't get: I've seen amazing drawings here which rape your brain and doom you forever, but don't get any credit. I know, some "holy" people are praised for their fantastic skills, but it annoys me deeply when I see a (Sorry for the language) shitty drawing gets bunch of attention. I drew like that when I was 6! So what I don't get is why people with talented skills got less credits, and those with almost no drawing talents get a lot. It makes no sense! Is it for being nice to the person? (Then you should rather tell them that they should hone their skills and maybe how instead of lying) Or is it because that the person is popular or has been on the site for a long time? I'm not only talking about myself, even though I get a bit sad when I've worked until my arm is destroyed and nobody noctise, because I've seen tons of skilled artist who also worked their ass out with their drawings and then get nothing. Please tell me why and how!
People no matter their skills
And this sounds a little bit like butthurt, I am not going to lie to you.
Just move on and keep creating. If you get stuck on stuff like this, honestly, you will not get anywhere with your life or your art.
<3 Just move on and don't worry about credit.
(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!
I just don't understand why
I don't have any problem with my own art, I unlike other people evole all the time, so no butthurt here.
But is it a good idea to give
Most do it because they don't
Praise leads to better work.
(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!
Anywhere in life you go and
Life isn't fair.
There are plently of great people out there who will give attention, encouragement and credit to all the artists they see on here.
And of course there are some people -not necessarily bad people- who just don't. Maybe they just like looking at their friends' artwork. I don't know, I'm not going to judge them and niether should anyone else.
And i will tell you that you or anyone else will never find happiness in art if all they want is the attention of others. Sure it makes people feel great when their art gets noticed but that doesn't mean that you just get pissed when it doesn't get noticed. So what if they don't comment on your work, if you like it then why should it matter?
just saying...
"And i will tell you that you
I agree that you should create for yourself and for no-one else. But, you know, if you go to the trouble of creating something and posting it on here, you expect feedback. You like feedback. And sadly, the case for many people in this community is that they only get feedback from maybe one or two friends, the same ones every time, and that's it. It's discouraging - very discouraging. I personally don't know how I've just managed to write a five-part story, one that I felt was well-written, had a good story, interesting characters - and in total I got two comments on each part at the most, from about three people in total. Very discouraging.
Again, I don't complain about
Don't kill me but to me it
Like mentioned, it's best to only give critique if asked for. It could come off as rude to the artist if you give it without them asking (not saying it will but you never know). Plus if I barely knew the person I wouldn't really want to tell them where to improve on.
Anyway. Hope I didn't come off as rude. Just saying my thoughts C:
Well what would for you
I don't say they don't
I know what you mean. But
And those artists who recieves a lot of responce is normally one of those popular users on here (who really amazes me with their drawings very often). Well. That quite understandable, because they have gathered many friends and ties with each other through time, which means they also keeps an open eye more at each other than you would as a newbie.
And yes, I know it hurts when people just don't comment your stuff. Buut then again, you know: It's kinda encouraging to try to get better and better, and then, someday, people are gonna realize it for true worth.
Haha, I sound like a weirdo... |'D
Maybe you shouldn't give
Maybe you shouldn't give constructive criticism unless it's asked? Some may take what you say as an insult otherwise. I'm an artist (in the drawing category) myself and I've never asked for constructive criticism on my things, because there's nothing wrong with what I draw. I know I can improve and make changes here and there. That's really one of my main goals as a drawer.
Anyways...Why would you label some peoples' drawings as bad/shitty? Everyone has their own drawing style and not everyone can do uber-fantasmic things like detail, anatomy, lighting and coloring skills. Some don't even have an interest in having things like that in their style..
EternalQueen: That's the most
jala: If it's how thei want to draw I don't know. It just doesn't feel like they put their soul into their work, and that makes me sad an angry.
Every artist puts a piece of
Thank you, Jala. I don't know
(thanks, starling! The avatar is amazing! And Thanks Pretzil for the siggie!
Also, I mean no hostility in
I for one can't shade for the
Okay, trying to formulate
I've been here and a lot more active before; then everyone would get comments no matter how good, bad or popular. Things have changed since, yes; I've also noticed how the well-known people get a lot of feedback, while the ones more, let's say, annonymous, get less, or no feedback at all.
It's all about making yourself known.
I, myself, being pretty much silent and stalking along the posts without posting, used to get a lot more comments and general attention from the community before, when I used to post a lot.
I know some people, like myself, read and look at everything that gets posted, but rarely drop a comment. You're all a part of this. You're all loved. Everyone's art is beautiful, interesting, creative, unique. And the community loves all of it. I think people just don't post as much as earlier
The community grew, and changed, and evolved.
We all grew, and changed, and evolved.
tl;dr
Personally, as an artist
As Moonlitstar said (I believe it was her) that doesn't always happen- and yes, it is incredibly sad and discouraging.
I often feel butthurt (won't lie) when I see people with better art than mine, as well as those that need improvement (but don't we all need it, really) getting more comments or whatnot than mine. I'm grateful for everyone that replies to my works, but there's always going to be the need for an ego-booster, and there won't always be one available.
I think everyone deserves comments, no matter anyone's opinions; but the more or less comments or faves or whatever you may receive, there'll always be that hunger for more. It's going to bother people either way. It always bothers me.
All you can do is let things happen as they will.
Everyone deserves everything in this community. So take what we get.
Just my two cents, not that it's even worth as much, hah.
jala: I actually expected a
Again it was wonderful to be put in place - if that expression exist in English - and I also hope I made people think about it as much as you made me think about it. There might be some out there not putting their whole heart in their works, but I am definitely convinced that it is very very few. All of you really seem to mean what you are saying, and that just made my day, knowing that this community is filled with grown up people.
That was a refreshing, and I feel less negative when I wrote this.
(But I've got the feeling that there will be more people that want to share their oppinion in this blog, hahaha!)
You're awesome for being so
^ what unplugged said lol
Unplugged, I too love the
OKKKKK right first off heres
The game is for people of all ages and skills this can also include people with learning difficulties, wonderstars,old foggies, and under 6's.
Not everyones can draw/write/paint to a degree leval, after all we all start somewhere. This is why there is such a wide range of types shown .
People tend to coment on the less "pro" looking art as a form of constrctive/positive encouragment. It's a loving for the under dog and communitee spirit of helping others. Popel should always encourage people to express them selves through art/writing etc, it can really help people to develope.
We judge by or own standars and often see people as less good as oursleves.
If we all went round judging things yelling "thats s***" then people would become dispondant and never try and who know what they could achive in the future.
People who make more "pro art/stuff " dont normaly expect tones of comments and "wows" as they know what effect there work has and thats enough for them. also you ever read through 70 message say "amazing work" belive me get get boring after a while.
Contructive crits are fair but the one criting should also be able to show and gide where if improvmemnts need to be made, but in all honesty i recon if people try there best then it's good enough for me after all this is not the tate gallery......is it?
Let and let live, help those around you through possitive persawtion and be friendly and polite. dont be rude and dogmatic, see through that persons eyes and dont judge to your own standards. If my IT stystems where up i would happliy invite people in to a on line gallery and help them but IT is not there for me.
Not sure if the subject has
Never ever EVER say someones art is shitty. There is no such thing as shitty art, only beginners to the word of art. Everyone was a kid in their life, and all of us drew a bunch of circles and scribbles on paper at least ONCE.
here at TEFc, we try to give credit to the beginners AND to the experts. Its not about the art. Its about how you treat others.
First of all, I would like to
Second of all, it depends on what you mean by "shitty" art. You call a smudge bad, I'll call it pretty. You say there's too many lines, I say it gives it character. You say it's just circles and squares, I'll call it geometric.
No art is bad art. Beginner art deserves to be encouraged so that they can continue and progress over time.
And as for experts, I've never seen a piece of artwork that hasn't had any comments.
You’re being quite unfair in
Whatever holiness and popularity you’re talking about surely has demanded lot of work and involvement, from the concerned members, into the community and the game. As for calling others, maybe less skilled works, “shitty art”, is more than uncalled-for.
There’s an huge difference between somebody posting a drawing in hope to receive feedbacks, progress- because fortunately TEFC isn’t about exclusivity, and has members willing to give attention to whoever strives to get better, or share-and doing/posting art as an artist, or someone aspiring to be one, would.
I personally find as much appreciable looking at a drawing full of beautiful emotions than a skilled piece of artwork.
There are quantity of talented people out there, and yes it sucks big time, but skills, most of the time, are maybe 60% of what is needed to get recognition, while 40% is at least as much work puts into “communication”, aka “Youtube logic” or “how do I stick out from the mass?”. Which means that you can also be great at grabbing attention and have no talent at all. So, this is how we all know who Paris Hilton is, just as this how we all know who Vincent Van Gogh is. I’d bet my hat the latter will have been just another forgotten artist if he hadn’t resorted to mutilation, and painted it.
But by all means, all ways aren’t that extremes, good or bad.
“Communication” is a vast word.
I’m sorry for sounding so moralizing, but, you know, I’ve got friends fresh out of art school who struggles to exist as artists, some are far more brilliant than what is seen displayed everywhere today, but they never whine about it. Actually they would just take paper, ink, and try to be even more creative.
Nayu, you shall not apologize
people that write are just as
I think everyone on this site who is an artitst/writer does it because they love it, and of course everyone is looking for recognition of some sort. It's a human want, i don't think anyone is not guilty of that. But to say that artists are 'lazy' because they're not as good as others.. eh, that strikes to the core with me. I'm constantly trying to improve.
I just replied again because I can't seem to get my words right.
Just throwing my two cents
Everyone is an artist. From a three year old that just drew a line, to a forty year old who sells paintings for thousands. That's how I see things. I see the degrading, insulting, and bashing of anyone's artwork to be absolutely disguising.
So what if someone likes to make a deer sparkely or overly dark or blood covered? If they're happy with their result, why talk down to them like their art is any less than your own?
Now I can understand getting fed up with artists who are very snobby and have their heads up their own butts about how "Absolutely amazing!" their artwork is. I like to call them "Self-pushed artists" -- someone who doesn't need watchers to tell them how good their art is and goes completely overboard with their skills. (Sorry, I'm rambling. xD)
I've watched this site, and to be honest, everyone seems friendly and the art is generally well/good/fantastic. Either three of those words.
As for thinking that most skillful artists deserve more comments/praise -- let me ask you;
Are they praised for the final result, or for the hard work put into it?
For the skill or popularity that one has in the community?
Is it their shading that is praised, the lighting of the picture?
There are various things one can be praised on in a picture. Just because the 'quality' of a picture is 'not the best' does not mean they are less deserving of praise for their hard work spent (assuming they put a lot of work into it.) I found that, when I draw, without encouragement from others I start to lose interest in wanting to draw at all!
Whether the artist wants critique or not, that is up to them I believe. I've always been annoyed when someone gave critique where an artist specifically asks for no critique. (If they don't say anything, I usually assume they don't want any.)
Also, no one sees with the same pair of eyes.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Kdone. :u
(Wow I said a lot.. xD) :3
must stop editing When I
When I first started drawing. My art was very mediocre. My art is still not nearly as wonderful as many others.
It takes longer to create art than you might think. We can't all bust out wonderful works in a few moments. We can't all spend hours on something and make it nice either.
But I've seen your work
This is art from when I first
I would never have continued to improve without the encouragement this community gave me