Some points I agree with, some I don't.
Either way, if you truly aren't getting anything positive from TEF anymore, leave.
If you can find something worth staying for, stay.
It's all up to you.

As do I.

Thank you so much. <3

I especially like the distinction between being overprotective and being a er..rude individual.

x) I almost was tempted to write a guide on the same subject.

A few wonderful members have commented on much of my artwork and writing.

As a new player, I appreciate their support very much!


However, I cannot help but think:

"How large is our community—really?"


It would be awesome if others reached out and offered their encouragement to new players.
I, too, have noticed the existence of cliques around the forums.
I know that there are more than three members on this site! xD

You know what we need to do?
We need to, as a community, start a little "daily checklist" for us.

Like

be nice to a newbie deer
go ooc with your mean/evil deer for a newbie/a not-so-popular player's deer

basically all this stuff.


Start making an effort to improve. Yeah.. *brainfart*

You have a great point! (:

sorry for bumping this again.

at fire;
youve got a good point there ,then again i nuzzle spam the nameless all the time , if they annoy you simply ignore them or nuzzle them to death , but violence is not the case against new players that have just joined the community and tef (or in most cases it is new player...)
Thanks for pointing that out.

& at phantom;
i wouldnt say "fit in" i just think they are afraid to try and communicate with them , if you ask me we need more old and experienced players to guide the new players , but it seems most people i used to know have gone away from tef for these same reasons that fever mentioned.

I can't tell you why you should stay. I'm not you and I don't know how you think. I can read this post a thousand times and still not entirely grasp what you're thinking and why.

I can't walk a mile in your shoes, and to pretend that I can is insulting to both of us.

So I'm just going to come out and tell you what I think, because that's the kind of person I am.

I think you're trying to paint a portrait with a roller brush. You paint walls with roller brushes, not portraits.

I'm not saying that the things you've listed don't happen - they do. I know they do. I'm even big enough to admit that I'm guilty of some of these things, though I'm trying to do better.

However, it sounds to me that you've got particular beefs with particular people and instead of going to them and confronting them head on, you're instead waving around this roller brush, filled with angry red paint, and making it sound as if everyone here is horrible, no good, mean-spirited person.

I don't think that's very fair.

You said that you have this hissy-fit switch and you have no remorse targeting certain people. If that's the case, why didn't you do that? Why didn't you just find those people and confront them directly, instead of dragging your paintbrush all over the community, pointing fingers without pointing fingers?

Slander is a false and malicious statement or report about someone. That's what it feels like you've done here. It feels like you've taken your frustrations out on this entire community, including people that don't deserve it.

I understand you have grievances against how things are going here, and that's completely understandable. Nor am I going to tell you to take this post down, because this is the internet and the glorious thing about it is that it's relatively anonymous - not to mention the fact that we have this awesome thing called freedom of speech and we all enjoy that.

But you say that you could have very well put up a sign saying 'Kiss my grits', and have stormed off. You also say you don't care what the people here think of you.

If that's the case, why did you make this post at all? Because you can't have it both ways - you can't tell us you don't care what we think of you, at the end of a huge rant in which you detail every little thing that we do that ticks you off.

You can't garner sympathy and understanding from the people that you've just told 'your opinions don't matter to me'.

oi vey here it goes again.....

Dammit, Bylah, you just won someone a ten dollar bet.

No, believe it or not, this is a compilation of worries and issues SEVERAL people have told me or have ranted about already, not that I have a beef with someone. I just stepped up to SAY it because I’m not afraid of being attacked by the community. And because for the simple reason I don’t give a shit what people think about me, that gives me all the reason in the world to post this without fear. Most people on TEF worry about what others would think and don’t voice their concerns or opinions. I am acting as their outlet.

As I've said, if you want me to just fade away from TEF history without so much as a word, you don't get that kind of selfish luxury.

Why don’t I start acting like a bitch? Because I have no need for it. Just because you have the ability to be absolutely dick-ish doesn’t mean you have to be 24/7. This is by no means a way to garner sympathy or understanding. If I wanted sympathy or understanding, I’d post a blog saying “I HATE MYSELF, I’M SUCH A HORRIBLE PERSON, BAWWWW BAAWWWWW”. Because those kind of blogs tend to get a LOT of sympathy.

You shouldn’t assume so quickly that you know the intentions of others~

It makes me wonder why so many scorned don't just unite as one and be eachother's friends?

Many people have made these rants before, me included...and it amounts to much of nothing. After all, this is a community, not an idealistic utopia. There's no changing those people...but what's to stop the outcasts from uniting? Perhaps that is the goal we should aim for?

Thought.

Ps: Those offended who protest loudest are often the guiltiest.

The great thing about the internet is anonymity.

The bad thing about the internet is that it's all words. There's no inflection, no tone. A lot gets lost in translation.

I'm glad to have provided you and your friends with a brief giggle, because we are obviously trying to make two different points, and neither one of us seems to be getting the other's point.

That is totally okay. You've stated your feelings on the unfair consistencies within the community and I cannot fault you, nor can I say that you're wrong.

Yet even on the internet, people are afraid of saying anything that goes against the norm of a society, especially when they have account names. If they weren't, I wouldn't have needed to post this.

No need to arm the Drama-Bomb.

Because when it comes to sensitive matters concerning the forest, people CAN’T NOT create drama out of it. Preparing for the worst, hoping for the best.

Why are you preparing to defend these “awesome people” if you know they haven’t done anything wrong? o_0 Unless you know they HAVE done something wrong, and you’re defending them anyway?

I hardly see how this is destruction. These are issues many people have wanted said. And as I have said before, “[should] we should stop bringing it up and just let it fester and grow worse?” Sheltering the community from its problems is not the path to making it any better either. Some people DO need reminders. All this “don’t bring it up, don’t talk about it” thing you seem to have is something very similar to sheltering children from the “bad things” going on in the household.

And again, please do not jump into THE DRAMAZ if you don’t know what the hell is going on. You ASSUME I’m angry at certain people. Cross my heart and hope to die, I am not angry at anyone. I do not have a beef with anyone. I do not go so far as to HATE people for what they’ve done. I am addressing trends and mindsets of the community that are harmful to everyone.

I'm going to offer my opinion as someone who doesn't take part in RP, doesn't write fan stories, and has been absent for about 2 years until a few days ago.

I don't see any difference in the Forest or the community since 2007.

I've occasionally run into deer who ignore people and go off on their own... so what? It barely even registers in my head. They leave the screen, I look for the next closest deer to trot up to and start dancing with. Maybe it's just me, but I can't fathom how anyone would take that as some sort of horribly anti-social insult and have it bother them to the point of ruining their fun. I'm not judging anyone here, just saying, to me personally that doesn't make sense. I don't care if one particular deer doesn't want to play. There's always others.

But like I said, I'm not into the RP stuff, so I'm never exposed to any of this drama you mention. Maybe, if you need a break from that, you could stop reading those kinds of posts? Basically all I read here are screeshot/art posts, a few bio's, and whatever random things pop up. I avoid all of the Myspace-style, self-indulgent, woe-is-me writings of angsty teen pain that I couldn't care less about. (Then again, I'm way past the age of wanting to write poetry on the Internet to express how sad and lonely I am and how the world is so cruel, blah blah. Apologies to anyone reading who actually does do those things. I understand, we all go through that phase, even I did at one point. )

If you want to try something different, remove yourself from the side of the community that even cares about all those things, and you'll discover there's an entirely different side of casual players who simply come here to relax and enjoy themselves as Michael & Aureia intended; people who don't keep lists of who they 'hate' and 'like', who don't look at certain deer and struggle to remember if they're supposed to be a deer or a human or a wolf or wtf else. All they see are deer. And the fact that that other stuff exists doesn't bother us, either. We know it's there, somewhere, but we're not a part of it, so it's ignored. It makes no different in a game without textual communication.

It's an Internet norm that people who bury themselves into community politics burn themselves out on meaningless inter-personal issues that the rest of us don't even acknowledge exist. Before you give up entirely, try to view things from a fresh angle. If that doesn't work, then by all means find somewhere you can enjoy. You shouldn't stay just because you feel obligated.

Take care <3


(P.S. If any of this comes across as mean or condescending, it's not meant that way. I just speak very straightforwardly and honestly.)

I do have to agree with the oldness thing. This Sablekat account was made before the community forum even existed. I was around when the fawns first came out. But there was no community board for me to go on. I'm an old member, and yet I'm not respected as much as a lot of people. So yeah... oldness =/= respect, really. o: