Discussion: The Rut 2016

The Rut will take place 26th Sep - 10th Oct.

It's good to see everyone getting so hyped up again!

The page can be seen and reviewed here (don't post). If anyone has any suggestions or critique then let us know.

The mods so far are: Vee, Aivilo, Unplugged, and Ammy.





And discussion-wise, I'd like to bring up just one subject this year: loyalty.
While I'm not opposed to characters behaving true to their nature, I'd like to advise that if anyone wants to play a Judge who's loyal to one Competitor/Challenger, they should move them over to Involved Non-Participants. This is so that the Competitors and Challengers don't have to spend time trying when the character won't be interested. It'll hopefully prevent frustrations and keep the game fixed for everyone.
Also worth noting: Those Judges who are out looking to have offspring this year: Even if your hearts are set on one, it's still okay, and wholly encouraged to judge other Competitors and Challengers.
I hope this is reasonable!
Acurna's picture

i need this page, ok?

i need this page, ok?
Evern's picture

Here are some I made, feel



Here are some I made, feel free to use, buut I might change the challenger one soon so.. not sure yet. got images off google

Thais's picture

omg loving all these badges

omg loving all these badges
Display pic by crabbycrown ♥
ToxiicSushii's picture

I am so hype. Omg.

I am so hype. Omg.
Focused's picture

Mmm. Yess. The Rut.

Mmm. Yess. The Rut.
Mozdog's picture

I really should have tracked

I really should have tracked this before. But im liking what people have said so far and the dates seem pretty good its going to start near my birthday.

I also would like to ask the question what is the true job of the judge? I was thinking of putting my guy in that position or competitors, but I wanted to know what is required from a judge.
Laryal's picture

Ohhh shiny new badges love

Ohhh shiny new badges love them all. Smiling
Laryal pic by EmiliaYO

Added your badges,

Added your badges, evern!

-Vee

Track it. Talking about

Track it.

Talking about judging: as I understood, some judges had judged only their favorites/give preference to only one bidder. So maybe my words will sound rude, but do in such situation judge can't retreat from their principles and, instead to be near a favorite, just take a step to the side, judging fights of the other characters? I understand that this kind of behavior may depends on personality and for some IC it may be unnatural, but it's about the pure competition.

And I have some question about roles. Is a character, who is only interested in monitoring the process, sparrings(as trainings), and interactions with other characters(in terms of rp mostly), considered as participant-wildcard? I just think such behavior doesn't really fit into the framework of the challenger.

(Besides, ashamed to say, but I didn't interested in rut before, so I could understand something wrong and I should be grateful if someone will correct me : )
WayfarerHart's picture

Kamiko: This is a problem

Kamiko:

This is a problem that we're trying to address this year while trying to allow for people to keep as much IC as possible without damaging the game itself. Hopefully this year will see the community come together to see the rut be a better success.

I think that sounds like a Wildcard, yes!

(That's nothing to be ashamed of. c: The Rut isn't for everybody, and we completely respect those who don't want to participate.)

OkamiLugia's picture

squats

squats
Naremara's picture

t.

t.

I'll put two of mine in (a

I'll put two of mine in (a wildcard and a judge) just in case. My activity will yet to be seen, but I need some muse and motivation. Hoping that this rut will be what I need to kick myself back into gear, and get something solid going again.
Hum's picture

(Gentle screaming + a mouth

(Gentle screaming + a mouth farting noise.)

Seeing the rut page got its

Seeing the rut page got its own map, how about having it show the involved pictos in colors of their respective groups? I.e. purple for judges, orange - wildcards, etc.
Aivilo's picture

That would be really neat,

That would be really neat, Uitleger, but I don't believe it's possible to change the colors of individual (or any of the) pictograms at this time.
The map is generated using GMSuerte's code, and one of the listed "bugs" is allowing pictogram color to change.

can we enter more than one

can we enter more than one character?
Aivilo's picture

Yes!

Yes!

also I'm wondering if Sylfrid

also I'm wondering if Sylfrid should be a judge or wildcard. She would be a judge, but she won't tolerate any dominating behavior towards her or being "herded" and might get aggressive. So I'm not really sure.

WayfarerHart's picture

She can Judge! Perfectly

She can Judge! Perfectly reasonable for her to stand up for herself if she feels disrespected. Laughing out loud

Aivilo, I see. Then, a

Aivilo,
I see. Then, a colored circle [like that status icon on a skype avatar] to show next to a picto, this should be quicker to implement. Got a way to contact GMSuerte with the idea?
Aivilo's picture

I'm afraid I don't. If you

I'm afraid I don't. If you scroll down to the "pictogram table" on that blog, it looks like something similar might be in the works, but it's still in the future.

I imagine it could look sth

I imagine it could look sth like this + two other colors.
I've got an understanding on how to code it, don't like to pipe in to another's project, though.
Alright, maybe someone who knows GM offsite will point them to it. I'd like a feature like that, quicker to tell where all the action is and who's involved.
WayfarerHart's picture

We've heard what's being said

We've heard what's being said about the Wildcards and have been fixing our mistakes accordingly! Sorry about that, thank you to those who pointed it out. ♥

But there are some complications regarding this that we couldn't entirely conform to: Wildcards cannot be a class fluid between all roles. We're sorry, but please hear us out, we have tried our best to deal with this.

It creates a loophole that we had to patch up lest it be taken advantage of, one that could potentially overly complicate the event and make it far too difficult for us to moderate and users to react to, so we have to keep it relatively simple and direct with standardized classes. The Rut entirely relies on participants to play their part to keep things going; if Wildcards were a fluid class, it would create too much complication and confusion.
That being said, we're not removing fluidity from the game, it is allowed. Pick a primary role and explain in your bios if your characters will be switching between roles. Make sure that your ingame language is particularly clear and understandable to prevent confusion - I've seen some players take excellent initiative in this by having their set change depending on the role they'll be playing.
Each character participating is an individual and we're not out to remove that aspect. As long as a character still behaves accordingly to the role they've picked, they may express it all in their own unique ways. For example: Judges can be temperamental and assertive, or they can be easily swayed, just as long as they still judge. Challengers can be intelligent and calculated, or they could just rush in and potentially get beaten up.
There are many ways one can express their character and fluidity is among them, so you're not all that restricted.

The point of Wildcards is still to participate in the event and expand their social circle, but doing so without the same standards that the other classes have. Wildcards should still be taken seriously and not be ignored - they are still a valid part of the event - but they shouldn't expect Challengers and Competitors to fight for their opinion, because they're not a Judge. If they're not a Judge, then fights could go on for too long, wasting time and energy of the battling participants. They should not expect to be Judged, because they're not seeking to be. If you want to Judge or be Judged, then maybe Wildcard isn't the correct class for your character.
On an added note, Wildcards should still take it upon themselves to get the attention of Competitors and Challengers for sparring if that's what they wish to do. They shouldn't expect to be automatically be discriminated against unless they're a troublemaker, in which case discrimination is understandable.
(If your character is a troublemaker, be sure to gain player consent as best as you can too. Participants should not ignore these characters.)

Also bear in mind that any character can be any class they want. There are no official gender roles, instinctive standards, or species restrictions to prevent that.

GMSuerte's picture

Greetings! I have not been

Greetings! I have not been active recently, so I apologize if I am posting on the wrong blog entry. I love that the map has been put to good use. The extra landmarks and the labels for all of them are a nice touch. Kudos to the person or people who did all that.

Uitleger wrote:
Seeing the rut page got its own map, how about having it show the involved pictos in colors of their respective groups? I.e. purple for judges, orange - wildcards, etc.

That's a great idea!

Aivilo wrote:
That would be really neat, Uitleger, but I don't believe it's possible to change the colors of individual (or any of the) pictograms at this time.
The map is generated using GMSuerte's code, and one of the listed "bugs" is allowing pictogram color to change.

Yes. I've been meaning to get to it, but, alas, several months passed and I still have not. It has been so long that I've forgotten why it's like that or what I would do to make it possible. But it has always been possible to change the backgrounds and things like that.

This CSS will give my pictogram a round green background:
.gms-pictogram[data$="word=1Gchy"] {
  border-radius: 50%;
  background: green;
}
This one will give my pictogram a round green border:
.gms-pictogram[data$="word=1Gchy"] {
  border-radius: 50%;
  border: 1px solid green;
}
And this one will give my pictogram a cool kinda half-filled egg shape:
.gms-pictogram[data$="word=1Gchy"] {
  border-radius: 50%;
  border: 1px solid green;
  border-top-width: 7.5px;
}
Give my pictogram a red link:
.gms-pictogram[data$="word=1Gchy"] + .gms-player-name > a {
  color: red;
}
Show only my pictogram in full opacity because all of you are lower, insignificant beings (just kidding):
.gms-pictogram:not([data$="word=1Gchy"]) {
  filter: opacity(0.5);
}
Hope I didn't mess up anywhere. Obviously change the details to fit your liking. You can target multiple pictograms like so:
.gms-pictogram[data$="word=1Gchy"], .gms-pictogram[data$="word=1Gchy"] {
  /* YOUR CSS HERE. */
}
It's just CSS — you are still able to do just about anything else. Of course, you can change the JS files too, if you feel so inclined to do so.

Uitleger wrote:
I imagine it could look sth like this + two other colors.
I've got an understanding on how to code it, don't like to pipe in to another's project, though.

I don't know about how the coder(s) of the rut map may feel, but I certainly don't mind if you go ahead and do it. Feel free! I'd love to see what everyone can come up with.

Sorry I haven't been around to improve upon the map and add other things you all would like. I just popped in to add my two cents. I hope you all have fun at the rut.
singingbird's picture

It might be helpful if the

It might be helpful if the rut participants list had a way to search by pelt/mask/antlers Shocked
Aivilo's picture

September 22, 2016 - 11:31pm

September 22, 2016 - 11:31pm — GMSuerte wrote:
The extra landmarks and the labels for all of them are a nice touch. Kudos to the person or people who did all that.

Thanks : ) Really I just put it all on the background image, so nothing super special done for it. Most of that is your wonderful code!

Thank you also for your input on how to put color around the pictograms! We'll probably be tinkering with that in the future~

September 23, 2016 - 11:35am — singingbird wrote:
It might be helpful if the rut participants list had a way to search by pelt/mask/antlers

Potentially so, but it would also take up a lot of space on the spreadsheet. We'd need 3 more columns and potentially a new tab for each antler, mask, and pelt spell (or else you'd be wading through a lot of search results on the "all participants" tab). That's a lot of spells - and a lot of data to work with!
Then there are also deer who change their set throughout the rut, and they would need additional spaces to describe alternate sets.
This is part of the reason we have the screenshot requirement, so that the most-used set is readily visible while scrolling through entries, along with a visual of how the pictogram appears in-forest.
singingbird's picture

Yeah, true -_- Maybe a deer

Yeah, true -_- Maybe a deer directory would be better as a standalone Sticking out tongue
onowl's picture

The rut seems to be one of

The rut seems to be one of the more looked forward to events (I really can't think of any others, sorry if there are any) in TEF. I've noticed it really helps bring people together and it's helped characters reach out beyond their usual circles.

So, what about a Spring rut? The rut as it is now, but twice a year. Double the opportunity to make more friends (for both us and our characters) and participate in friendly competition.
WayfarerHart's picture

^ At least a couple of us

^ At least a couple of us will be open to organizing such. Same event... Different name, more springtime theme.
On the flip side it may take away a bit of the special'ness of this once a year event.

Ultimately it's up to the community, if it's wanted or not.

thelittleraven's picture

This was actually suggested

This was actually suggested last year as a companion event to the autumn rut, as a socialisation event for the resulting fawns and mothers! It retains a focus on socialisation but I'd imagine the events would mostly be mothers gathering to let their fawns learn social skills, and maybe something of a... garden festival? I can't remember all the suggestions from last year. I, for one, would like to see some flower sparring though!

Though I do worry a bit about it detracting from the Rut's annual exclusivity, and part of me feels like it'd be a lot of work and business in the forest. I tend to like the rest of the year being considerably quieter than the Rut, personally, but it is very much up to the community.
Mjrn's picture

I personally don't see

I personally don't see anything wrong with a technical twice-a-year event.

Though, the Autumn Rut is a more "natural" thing that everyone uses to come together. Children can be born as a result of it.

I imagine the Spring event would be, as others have said, more geared towards getting their kids socialized and interacting with other mothers and families. Maybe those who aren't parents but are considering it can get advice from those who are, etc. And then there's those that are just there for the free snacks and face paintings.

I don't think having two social events a year is killing the exclusivity of it. And really...they shouldn't even be exclusive? It's kinda meant for everyone.
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I agree a lot with mjrn,

I agree a lot with mjrn, there's a lot of new kids around that time of year and it'd be a good way for them to meet each other in little groups. It'd also give characters who don't do a lot of fighting and are more pacifistic a chance, like merchant or healer characters who have wares to hock perhaps? As mjrn phrased it "free snacks and face paintings" kind of thing.

Regardless, it'd be cool, more of a festival than a "Rut" type event than anything else that's geared towards a different cast of characters.

edit: Minor text fixes
WayfarerHart's picture

One point I'm gonna have to

One point I'm gonna have to bring up is that if we make it all mother and child orientated, wouldn't that make this autumn rutting event more breeding and gender orientated? Contrary to what a real rut is like, that's not the impression we want to make.

Keep coming up with ideas! If we do go with a second event maybe it's just a celebration of the end of winter. Just need a good motivator for characters to want to gather.

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Mjrn's picture

@Vee, yeah, good point.

@Vee, yeah, good point. Really didn't think about that. But yeah, maybe instead of "Rut" and "child meet up" both events can be an "End of Summer," "End of Winter" festival. Would make more sense lore-wise, actually.
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Tisority's picture

GGHH I looovelove the idea of

GGHH I looovelove the idea of a spring rut <3 I love the social aspect of the forest during the rut, and tbh I get a little post-con depression (if anyone gets me there) when it's over because you get so many characters and people together that wouldn't normally interact otherwise. The forest sinks into a sort of 'down' 'stick with your usual groups' frame of mind again, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, BUUUT having a second little rut of sorts come spring would be nice to break up the monotony of the regular forest mood I think. I'd definitely be bringing some of my characters to it.
Evern's picture

Spring rut would be awesome

Spring rut would be awesome imo, though I hope it wouldn't tear the hype down from the actual rut. I agree with Tisority that it's such an amazing way to interact with people who you wouldn't normally interact with, and just open up to a whole new world of possibilities. SO YEAH go for it I think.

Vessan's picture

Another thing, suggestion

Another thing, suggestion would be something like the Pust. Pust takes place sometimes in february or march. Participants dress up in outlandish costumes (the main mask being the 'kurent') and they would parade around the town, bringing mischief and ringing their bells loudly.
The kurent used to carry a stick with hedgehod needles on one end...because during pust, if two different groups of masks clashed, fights ensured xD (so the stick was banned because the fights ended up rather nasty looking)
That set aside, food, loud jingling, (maybe some gang fights) playing and dancing seems rather fun to me. Our deer could induldge in all the reckless behaviour to 'scare off' winter, including fighting, running in all various means and mooing.
(if mooing loudly in a grand TEF choir were included, the event should be short before it drives the forest crazy xp )

Though I think two events shouldn't be too much, as long as they are vastly different.
Mjrn's picture

Agreeing with everyone 100%,

Agreeing with everyone 100%, Tisority in particular.
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Yeah, agreeing with a lot of

Yeah, agreeing with a lot of this, especially the post-con depression Tisority is talking about. After Rut is over people go back to there normal groups, and I agree that that is all cool and dandy, but I do find it somewhat hard to interact with others after that. To me, it doesn't seem as free anytime other than Rut. I love seeing big random groups of deer so I would love for another event to be tested out.

Votin' for the 2K17 dance competition
Tisority's picture

Dorian and Cas would kick all

Dorian and Cas would kick all our asses

Haven't anything particularly

Haven't anything particularly helpful to contribute but wanted to say I fully support a bi-annual dealio.
Not only would it give those who might have missed out a lot on one event a chance to participate in the other, but it might actually help keep activity up in the forest as a whole?

Maybe start a vote on a 'theme' for it, to test the waters/see everyone's opinions, not to say it'd actually happen but it can't hurt to experiment. Though you need ideas to start a vote.. and i have absolutely no idea what themes idk i'm drawing a blank so i'll just crawl back under my rock
Gustiro's picture

Hey, about the "Spring Rut"

Hey, about the "Spring Rut" you guys were talking about. I kind of like the "Spring Festival" idea you all mentioned instead of another "Rut". Keep The Rut, the rut, and have another, differently exciting event to look forward to. Plus, The Rut has a more feral feel to it (even though it's for everyone!), a Festival would be a little more ... non-feral?

For instance, maybe it could have like little games throughout the day/night with helper hosts or coordinators that help at certain times of the day or for specific games.

Games wise you could have one area of the forest for "Flower Sparing" (as someone mentioned) and another area of the forest for "Simon-says" and so on for any other game ideas, (maybe even a "Daycare Center" for mothers to gather to socialize fawns) with each area of games having a coordinator making sure things are running smoothly. And so coordinators don't get burnt out, have people switching out at certain times of the day? It would be a lot of work to organize, I'm sure. But it may be worth it.

And perhaps, at the end of the "Spring Festival" have a big Race (though it may be more just everyone running together as racing would be hard with lag). Or maybe instead of a race - one of those "Meditation Walks" that Quad likes to host sometimes. And that could be the final event that gets everyone that can get on to get together.

That's just my two cent. ^^

Omg yes Spring

Omg yes Spring socialization!
I don't think it would take away from the Fall rut at all. Why only limit players one chance per year for the whole forest to be open to making new friends? The Pust idea sounds great, because there's still sparing and group work. It could be more like a flowery festival and the vendor idea someone mentioned above would be pretty neat to add onto it so its not too much like the rut.
Hum's picture

Having a character who

Having a character who naturally ruts during the North American spring, the very idea of a spring rut thrills me completely.
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LilyBlue's picture

I personally don't mind if

I personally don't mind if there is a second rut because it gives people another chance to meet up and mingle.

But I'm feeling the idea of a festival. Games and walks around the forest would be very fun. Kind of like how we used to have a valentines dance? I loved that ;u; The rut will remain it own thing and this spring event will become something new. Like a laid back version of the rut. People could mingle in groups, play games, there could be a tournament instead of random sparring? The crowd of course will decide who moves up in the ranking? I dunno. The idea came as I was typing this.

BUT really like the festival idea. Everyone could wear specific masks, and again, socialize like you would at a real festival. You wouldn't have to play any of the games if you didn't want to. You could sit in groups and enjoy time with characters you don't normally spend time with. ^^ The whole idea would be reaching out to others and bonding be it over groups/games/walks/daycare all that jazz.

Just lily shiz. ^^;
Aquilo's picture

Love the idea of a "festival"

Love the idea of a "festival" as opposed to another "Rut". Clearly, I'm biased in favor of a dance contest B) I think the spirit of friendly competition really motivates people to get out and participant - just like with the autumnal Rut. If we could incorporate some kind of competitive overtone to (at least one part) of this spring event, it could boost attendance. HOWEVER, that isn't to say that I, personally, wouldn't enjoy a completely rivalry-free event centered around some other theme. I'm only making a guess as to what other people might enjoy. ^^
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Freyja's picture

CASTI APPRECIATES YOUR VOTE

CASTI APPRECIATES YOUR VOTE FOR HIS DANCE PRESIDENCY I'd like to see a second annual event but definitely not a second rut, i'd rather something else, like others have suggested. Something without actual fighting maybe

Flower festival and Vessan's idea sound great