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IoRez's picture
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Hello all! Thanks for clicking through. I hope you will all take the time to read this and share your opinions via comment below.

My question is a simple one - Should the Lightbringers hold their annual convention this year?

I am taking the time to gauge the real community opinion of this yearly event due to the lack of participation/interest in last year's convention. It was very disappointing to spend 8 hours virtually alone inside of the Old Oak, especially as M&A took the time to provide special weather, lights and candles throughout the forest. I was embarassed that they had gone to all that trouble for an all-day event that topped out at about 8 participants.

So: Yes or no? Would you attend? This event will/won't be held based mainly on the feedback I receive from this entry.

Thanks!
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IoRez
Flyleaf's picture

I was there last year

I was there last year .....and i will make all my possible to be there this year !
But i know it is frustrating with only so little people Exclaim I was frustrated too !!
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I think yes, but perhaps not

I think yes, but perhaps not on New Years eve itself? I tend to spend that day/evening with real life friends or family, and therefore can't actively participate in the Lightbringer's event as I would like to. Perhaps the day before, or after would be better, I know it would certainly allow me to be there! Smiling
Pegasicorn's picture

I'd go if it's at a good

I'd go if it's at a good time.
IoRez's picture

A good thought, Tera, though

A good thought, Tera, though I was speaking of the Lb Convention, not the NYE Festival of Lights. Perhaps we could hold it on Xmas Eve instead? It is on a Saturday...
GingerNut's picture

Going off from what Tera

Going off from what Tera said, I think I recall considering in going, if only for a little while. However, I had family over for Christmas and New Years. And it'll be the same case this year as well. Maybe if it was a few days afterwards? c:

Oh ok, my mistake! I don't

Oh ok, my mistake! I don't think Christmas eve would be better, if only for the same problem. I spend that time with my family, as I'm sure many other members (especially the younger ones) do too. Still I suppose if it was all day, I could certainly pop in for an hour or so for a visit.
IoRez's picture

Hm... All of the holidays

Hm... All of the holidays fall on weekends this year. I usually try to hold events on weekends, but I guess I may have to change that this year. Excellent suggestion, Tera.

EDIT: seriously? 70+ reads and less than 10 comments? Come ON people. I want everyone to weigh in on this, not just the LBs.

Well, I wasn't around TEF

Well, I wasn't around TEF last year so I couldn't come >w<

BUT, if the date is appropriate, I will definately make an appearance~
LittleNo's picture

): I remember your event

): I remember your event hosting last year. When I logged on I attempted to round up some deer: we danced for a while but it's easy for people to get bored... (probably why deer sit around all day. Kind of annoying really lol) Maybe you will get more attention this year since new players have joined the community. Perhaps you would like some people to help out? If no one does turn up, you could have at least maybe 5 people who are helping out and can easily grab the attention of deer to come party P: Heehee. It's a shame that so many blogs are ignored nowadays; it's a shame people create pointless place holders and whatever; such a waste of space on the recent posts page.

But.. either way I am always willing to give a help in hand. ^^
Kuziifish's picture

If it's on a week day, one in

If it's on a week day, one in which people are working, I could be there for a little while. I try not to play all day long though. :/ And I especially don't play when my hubby is home. I wasn't around last year, but all depending, I will do what I can to be there this year, even if only for a little while. Smiling
Kaoori's picture

I can do my best to be here.

I can do my best to be here. A lot of times things are just time conflicts, I can't come because of that. :/
PLK217's picture

Last few weeks I am doing

Last few weeks I am doing nothing but waiting for an announcement when the convention would take place.

Foxbrow is so much looking forward to this Lightbringers' party and she surly would participate!

We should work on a date,

We should work on a date, maybe make some kind of poll-- with timezones and whatnot, but whatever you want to do is fine with me. I will do my best to be there, I wouldn't like anything to stop regarding the Lightbringers and their holidays; but I also haven't been very active at all on TEF or for that matter anything regarding the Lightbringers. This upsets me every time I'm reminded of where I should be putting my time when I'm on TEF, and once again Io Rez: thank you. Smiling
IoRez's picture

Very well. It seems at

Very well.

It seems at least a few of you still care about this, so I will go ahead and start making a poster for it. I'm thinking we should do it on Saturday the 29th. Would that be okay with everyone?

I don't see anything

I don't see anything conflicting, I'll make note of it and do my best to attend!

By the way Io, would you happen to have an e-mail I could contact you at (since I not longer have a facebook)? Thank you. Smiling
Unplugged's picture

I guess one of the problems

I guess one of the problems is that The Lightbringers haven't been as active as they used to be and thus many new players never got introduced to the idea of The Lightbringers and were never exposed to it. A good chunk of its members are now inactive and there are very few new participators. That's also a problem with the awards.

Before organizing a large event like this, I think a small makeover would do well. To dust off a little bit, and maybe do some slightly more "aggressive" advertisement (from both sides, the members and the owners), to bring the Lightbringers back to activity and to gain more recognition. Perhaps not an all-time high, that would be too much work, but at least in the time before the event, to raise awareness.

Perhaps for the event itself, a small "plan" could make things more interesting, like a short romp through the forest at some point instead of one fixed area.

Terabetha definitely also raises a good point. At New Years or Christmas I'd rather not play TEF, or on any of the 'big dates'. Maybe there's another free weekend inbetween.


That said, I'd like to join The Lightbringers. Smiling If it's necessary, I'll do an 'official' post in the actual blog. Perhaps I could even volunteer for the awards at some point.
Skatmat's picture

Holding virtual events on

Holding virtual events on holidays are always most likely to failure, sorry for stating that, but it's true. I don't want to sound rude, but if I got to choose between sitting in front of the computer alone in my room, or sitting with my friends or family together, I'd choose the second option. I always misses out on any event/abio, due to this. I guess that's what most of us do? /:

Although I really love this game that I regret every time I've missed out on something, and when I do have time to play, the forest is almost empty. A date on a neutral day would sound great! (:
Juke's picture

Yes, I'd gladly attend.

Yes, I'd gladly attend. <33

Last year I had wanted to

Last year I had wanted to join this event before I had ever panned on joining the Lightbringers. But I am afraid I was not able to get on that day or something like it. If I can get online at the time, if you have it this year, I will surely be there.
IoRez's picture

I think Unplugged has raised

I think Unplugged has raised a handful of excellent points. We have very few permanent and active members, and even fewer who want to help or volunteer to spread the word re: the LBs and their events.

I feel like I've been carrying this banner virtually alone for some time now. The peak of activity for us was a few years ago and has gradually slowed to a mere trickle.

Again, excellent points one and all re: scheduling. In the future I'll keep that in mind.

UP, I am curious as to what you had in mind for "aggressive advertisement". And I like the idea of some sort of activity beyond just "meeting". The GoSA, Bland Days and the FoL are more geared toward actual activities and generally enjoy more popularity than the more low-key LB Convention. I am open to any and all good suggestions.

CM (or anyone else who is interested): My email is
Anjali's picture

Oops, I didn't realize this

Oops, I didn't realize this thread was here before I replied to the main LB one.

Really glad to see you're considering holding the Convention! Smiling
Maybe we could do a few simple things to advertise, like having the LBs (and anybody who wants to) put a link about the Convention in their signature? I like the idea of having some sort of activity too...anything to spread the word and increase interest. *will have to think*
WonderfullySarcastic's picture

Well, I didn't attend last

Well, I didn't attend last year's LB convention because like quite a few people, I visit with friends and family during the holidays, as it's been pointed out. And I would have loved to go to the convention, truly! It's just hard to get in-forest when your family is around for once and you can't sneak off into your room for a few hours.

Again, as it's been said, holding the convention on or very near holidays hurts the turn out of attendees..... like me, since I have to travel for the holidays and can never make it back in time.

Thank you for holding the convention again this year, even if I won't be able to attend, yet again :<
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DEERTH's picture

I would gladly participate,

I would gladly participate, if only if it wasn't on school-time. Any other times are gladly accepted, when I have time. Eye

I would be excited by this! ♥
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IoRez's picture

Okay, well I think the best

Okay, well I think the best time to hold this will be sometime in early to mid November, possibly a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. That way Halloween will be out of the way. I'm thinking maybe the 4th, 5th or 6th.

^ Sometime in November sounds

^ Sometime in November sounds good - I don't think much goes on in November :')
DEERTH's picture

It might be great. If it only

It might be great. If it only could be in the 5th's evening. Then I would have a blast... Because ET EEES MAI BIRTHDAY THEEEN! xDD
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Unplugged's picture

I remember longing for the

I remember longing for the day my fawn would show up in one of the LB screenshots. Laughing out loud Yeah, the group was much more active back then.

Aggressive advertisement was maybe a bit of an exaggeration. Sticking out tongue What I was thinking of was basically just seeing the word "Lightbringer" around more often. Mentioning the lightbringer status in bios. Or, for example, "who are you" posts. The wording could be something along the lines of this: "Who are you? My deer X had fun playing with your fawn today. They're a Lightbringer"
To raise awareness.

Have small badges for supporters. Small links in signatures. ((You already do that for 50pts, small custom pixel deer as early rewards. It's a very effective method I think. There's the problem with volunteers here though)) So players go "Lightbringer? I've heard that somewhere before". Small things.

Pondering, perhaps players could be encouraged to somehow work the LB status into their character even. I'm unsure whether that would be a good thing or not. On the one hand, it adds importance to the title, on the other hand players with less friendly IC deer (who go OOC for new players) might hesitate if they were asked to "implement" that job into their character. Maybe that would go too far. I guess it's up to the players there really.

As for possibilities from the side of the founders (you and celticmystress, right?), dusting off the page. What I mean by this is simply a revamp of the LB page. I don't know how well you do with CSS, but a clean and up to date page can do wonders. I'm not talking about full-blown page altering. Just information organized in boxes. If anything, I'll gladly help with that.

Cleaning up information. It's probably too much work but it would be absolutely PERFECT if it were possible to contact members and ask them about their activity. I realize though that this is close to impossible (it's not like you're not busy enough already), so maybe the list could be split to 'active' and 'inactive', active probably being a certain amount of months, at this rate. Close to the inactivity date, you could message members and remind them.

Perhaps increase the price/gift ratio and have wider gaps inbetween, to make it more of a challenge.


I hope you don't mind that I'm sort of stealing the wheel there. I get a bit too enthusiastic about these things sometimes; just tell me when I start sounding too demanding.
onyxsoulclaw's picture

Why not?? Seriously even if

Why not?? Seriously even if people dont know what going on it's still fun and bmad. go for it and spread the love.
IoRez's picture

CM: feel free to weigh in on


CM: feel free to weigh in on any of this. If it's not obvious by now, I am (and have been) in over my head.

Unplugged - These are all teriffic ideas. I'll try to address them point by point.

Sigs and badges - As you say, we sort of already encourage this, and it's not really like We can force people to include a link or badge in their sig. Still, it would be nice if more people did so. I was also thinking of banners designed specifically for events. Willing LBs/volunteers could cut-paste the code straight into their signatures prior to to the event and then just change it back afterwards.

Character - You know, being a Lightbringer has always been a big part of Yorres' personality, and I see others incorporating this into their bio as well, but not very often. As you say, it is up to the players to do this, but I think part of it is a fear of being pigeonholed or ostracized as "one of those LB people". I have felt the need for a sort of "re-branding" of the LBs off and on for a long time now, but am not sure I have the creative chops to pull it off alone (more on this below)

Dusting off the page - Yes, yes and a thousand times yes. I have often prayed for some talented soul to emerge from our ranks and volunteer to fancy up our page with a b!tchin' CSS revamp (PS - I suck at CSS, obviously). I see some of the fancier bios around here and get a little sad because our page looks pretty lousy in comparison. No wonder enrollment has dropped off. The whole page needs to be pared down into an easy to read and access format. Any active player with a bio should have a link to that bio - maybe if the LBs were more aware of who was a member, it would foster a better sense of our own little community and encourage volunteering.

I think the bottom line here is a near complete re-brand/refresh of the entire organization, from the ground up. I have always felt the need for some sort of forum or meeting of higher ranking members for some sort of think-tank or brainstorming. Then the real trick is finding someone to do the actual work and coding (besides Yours Truly).

Unplugged's picture

Hmm I guess a restart would

Hmm I guess a restart would be the most reasonable idea in this case. Your comment on being pigeonholed is strange to me; I never found the idea of the LBs bad or potentially controversial.

I'm always up for getting some project rolling. Smiling If you and celticmystress can work a decision out together, you have my full support. I'd be happy to help out. At the very least, I'll throw a small layout together with your permission and feedback.
WonderfullySarcastic's picture

I know what Io meant by the

I know what Io meant by the LBs being pigeonholed, sorta....

I used to think, when in the forest, that if a LightBringer came up to me, it was because they wanted to earn points for capturing a screenshot with me in it, or what have you. That was early on when I was still uncomfortable with random players coming up to my deer. I had felt that they didn't care about me as a player.... Does that make sense, in a closed-minded way?
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Unplugged's picture

Oooh I never thought of it

Oooh I never thought of it from that point of view, WS. Certainly makes sense though.
What to do to prevent others from thinking that way though? Seems impossible to solve since the Point system is a very vital part of The Lightbringers, and you can't really influence the way your actions are being interpreted...

I just has an interesting

I just has an interesting thought but it is in no way a fully formed suggestion: feel free to take it and run with it!

What if the Lightbringer members were no longer the ones responsible for providing the proof of their in Game actions. It would no longer be their job to post a screenshot of their deer helping another new member. Instead, there could be a form of 'giving thanks' where new members could comment, mentioning someone who had helped them.

Similar to how, when you are shopping in a store that gives bonuses to sales staff who sell the most items. When you cash-out, you can mention the name of the staff member who helped you, and it goes on record.

I have no idea how this could actually be done, though maybe a link via signature could be used to direct members who have been helped to the blog where they can comment. Sort of like the 'how's my driving' bumper stickers on school buses and delivery trucks! This process would also involve new members more directly and educate them as to what the Lightbringers are about very early in their Community experience.

BigBunny's picture

Big Bunny will come. He would

Big Bunny will come. He would be a good candidate for becoming a Lightbringer. I would also like to see more in forest events.
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PLK217's picture

To put my two cents... Date

To put my two cents...

Date of LB Convention:
Well, let's say I'm a nerd, who will always find some time to sit at the computer.

Character:
I know that when I joined, I used only Foxbrow and not my other deer, for I just knew it wouldn't come well with their personalities. But it helped with her development.
Pigeonholed (a real teaser for my dictionary) - If it is normal to be afraid of admitting to be a Lightbringer, then something is surly wrong. Should't being a Lightbringer something you're supposed to be proud of?

About dusting off the page:
Great idea. For some time I thought to offer that I would create some new layout, but since I know almost nothing about it, it won't be very effective. Anyway, if there would be anything you think I can help with, just let me know.
Oh, And I think that giving a link to the Bios of LightBringers would be very appreciated.

Refresh/restart:
I've always been quite conservative, but I can't deny that LightBringers are in need of new players, new members, new pages, new everything. It's been stagnating for too long already so I fully support any inventions.
Skatmat's picture

I have a very fitting

I have a very fitting character to be a LB, in fact he already is, my only problem is that I'm on a Mac. /: I'd proudly offer my signature space and character bio for a bit of "commercial", if there are any special badges for that? (:
Anjali's picture

I worry about the topic

I worry about the topic WonderfullySarcastic brought up, too...as a Lightbringer personally, I try to make sure I spend at least a few minutes playing/interacting with the deer or fawn before I take a screenshot. If I don't feel like I interacted with them enough, I'll try to hold back from posting. I'm not sure it's really a problem, but its definitely an issue to think about with the current LB system.
IoRez's picture

More great input you guys.

More great input you guys. Seriously, thanks for the thoughts.

UP - I would love to see you take on a new layout for the main page. hit me up at my email (above)

Tera - believe it or not, that's exactly how we wanted to do the LBs in the first place, but we were afraid if we had official in the forest scouting for good behaavior, we'd always wonder what those members were acting like when no one else was around. In the end, the photos seemed like the easiest way to award and rank members.

In other news - the convention is on! Anjali had a great idea to add a little more ceremony and activity to the event. Stay tuned for the flyer!

EDIT: SkatMat, BigBunny, Unplugged and anyone else in this thread interested in joining that I may have missed - please register by clicking the LB link in my sig an posting a request there. Thanks!
sunwindow's picture

I say so too i think they

I say so too i think they should add candy corn rain that would be funny and fun insted of water falling down it would be candy corn lol i love candy corn!