Okay seriously

Xemi's picture


I've watched this poor nameless deal with this mini for almost half an hour.
The mini's picto is Revenant, no bio. I know because this little pain came up
to my deer last night out of nowhere and started following him around raising
hell for no reason. Got a whole bunch of other deer riled up in the process and
wouldn't leave them alone long after I moved AWAY not wanting to deal with it.
To clarify I didn't really respond at all aside from bowing, sad emoting, and
headtilting since its actions made no sense.

Do we REALLY need to have this talk about how to treat nameless? I think the
unnecessary abuse is ridiculous and pointless. "OH but it's a character thing."
The character's super annoying then. Sorry, I'm pretty tolerant but one thing I
can't STAND is seeing nameless being tormented for no reason. Revenant came
up to this guy out of nowhere and started taunting, rearing, mooing and antlering
at it. Poor guy could be a new player who might not wanna join now because of
this treatment. The nameless tried to move away a number of times, bowed to
the mini, was sad emoting at it, it was very polite and still the mini followed and
kept on torturing it. Is there nothing else better to do in a day?

This morning even I saw a deer taunting and yelling at a nameless because they
wanted ANTLERS CAST on them. What's wrong with this image? It's a new player,
as if they know what you want or what to do. They won't understand the forest
language, they might not even know how to get spells. There's something
seriously wrong there. Ask a registered player to help you out, you've got no
right getting frustrated when you ask an innocent guest to cast on you and they
don't know how to.

Thankfully I rarely see it these days, I hope that's a good sign and that I'm just
not missing it when it does happen. I've been watching this mini do the same to a number
of others JUST today and seeing it flip out on the nameless pushed me over the edge,
I had to post it. If the owner of that mini sees this.. PLEASE reconsider your actions
towards nameless at the very least. Even my grumpy characters will go out of
character around them to be accomodating. It's how the community grows. Respect
them and realize that they won't understand and mean no harm. Really.

okay... err just two notes

okay... err just two notes from my site...

this mini was obviously a troll or something... because it reared and threw a tantrum like on this nameless agains several others as well so...i wouldn't really care for its actions since we can't influence it anyways and it is not representative for the 'normal' players...

and .... nameless can't even cast spells |D

the general handling on nameless... well... i have my opinion on that but i wrote it often neough xD so yah... common topic...



/pointless comment is pointless
Flyleaf's picture

This is really sad !! Poor

This is really sad !! Poor nameless !!!
*Thumbs up* to you !!
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Sighthoundlady's picture

I saw that mini. Well more

I saw that mini. Well more like heard it. Alot. Had to push mute, it was getting so annoying. Love that mute button!
Xemi's picture

It IS sad, and it's sad that

It IS sad, and it's sad that it's a common topic.
I know it's a troll, it's just really pissing me off. |C I wish we could block individual deer, like...
have a blacklist for pictos or something.. idk. And I know they can't, which is why it was utterly
pointless. I didn't catch that deer's picto that wanted antlers but I KNOW I've seen it around a
lot so it's not like they're new.

EDIT: SHL: Lol.. uh huh. It was a pain, a huge pain.. I was tempted to mute a few times but it's shutup for now so |:
Snowsauria's picture

I've seen that mini around a

I've seen that mini around a lot lately. All it does is roaring and using the 'aggressive' emotes. >.> I admit Illrose had a lot of fun mocking it the other day, but usually I just mute and ignore it.
Krystal's picture

Though I can understand your

Though I can understand your annoyance in seeing someone blatantly be rude to a nameless...I think that the second part of your argument pretty much makes the first part moot..Generally most of the time a new player is still trying to figure out what actions mean what, or sorting through them, as said in that thread topic "Why it's ok to attack nameless" etc...same principles would apply as to why you generally wouldn't get terribly upset OOC if you saw a nameless doing aggressive emotes to any other deer (though IC you may step in). I suppose there's always a point where it crosses a line into trollhood...

Conversely, however, and just a little tidbit for thought...it's ironic that on innumerable occasions, deer that are present on the community go out of their way to blatantly ignore a nameless regardless of the emotes they do, but yet this is rarely ever brought up as something to dissuade new players from continuing the game. As a new player, wouldn't you be more inclined to at least live in a forest where you received negative attention as apposed to receiving absolutely none at all....? (Especially if you weren't necessarily sure what all the actions really meant)

Just my personal opinions, none meant to offend. I think you were right in trying to speak up for players that don't have a voice, in the end. Smiling

It was no trouble with me,



It was no trouble with me, but when the big deer walked up it had a fit o _o
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Unplugged's picture

that's an interesting point

that's an interesting point Krystal! I'd love to read a good discussion about this. Laughing out loud
Sighthoundlady's picture

Poor thing doesn't want to

Poor thing doesn't want to dance with Alice for some reason. Hmmm....

Xemi's picture

Krystal: Yeah but my point in

Krystal: Yeah but my point in this individual case was that this nameless was seriously just.. standing around not doing anything and that mini ran up and flipped. o___o So I was just like.. wtf is this guy's problem

SHL: LOL.
Ourania's picture

lol yeah it came up to Oura,

lol yeah it came up to Oura, Toukan, Illrose and Ravus yesterday and started mooing and generally having a fit. We had fun with it for a while xD

Away's comment is

Away's comment is interesting. How it was alright to their fawn and then flipped out over a grown deer is interesting. Maybe an IC player that has taken it too far in their character's dislike for grown deer?

You don't have to be on the TEFc to have your deer be a character.

^ Ryff. If so, then it's a

^ Ryff. If so, then it's a bit of an illogical character to me xD.

The nameless has a picto? (pictogram glitch, then? xD)
Xemi's picture

Yeah, nameless always have

Yeah, nameless always have pictos on my viewers (I have both new and old) but it's usually my picto or the picto of the deer I first logged into, OR the same generic pictos I always see glitched on nameless. Pelts weren't sticking to it. xD

It is kind of interesting. The deer it attacked last night was my dear Sabastien who (anyone who knows him will agree) is a complete sweetheart in spite of looking a little daunting. He was playing with a fawn when that mini came up and started attacking him for no reason. He was very confused by this.. he was polite and welcoming to it, tried to nuzzle it and bow to it etc, but nothing would work.

What's weird is that it was helping cast pelts for him earlier too.. I have no idea.

But I agree that if it IS a character thing.. it's been taken much too far, it's ridiculous. |:

I hate to chime in, but I do

I hate to chime in, but I do have something to say.

You're either IC or you're not IC. In my opinion, there is no such thing as 'taking it too far'. You're either playing the character as it was designed/intended to be played or you are not; attacking nameless or not.

People can frown upon doing that, but in the end, I guess that is where people agree to disagree.
Xemi's picture

It's definitely agreeing to

It's definitely agreeing to just that then because.. I can't see how anyone could rightfully say "it's okay to purposefully drive new players away." Link me, whoever, to that topic "when it's okay to attack nameless" or w/e it was called and I WILL give it a read but.. up until this point it just seems somewhat pointless and cruel.

I just know that personally if that was my very first impression of this game I'd be like "wow.. this game's full of assholes, screw this" and leave. I'm glad my first experience in the forest WASN'T like that.

But that's just me.

Well, yes, it's an illogical

Well, yes, it's an illogical character, but the mind is an odd place.

And besides, if it was alright with fawns but not adult deer, I can't think of any other reason. Trolls troll EVERYONE. New players included, if not especially so.

Anyway, I've never seen this deer, but the best way to avoid it is to ignore it, even if it's noisy. :]
Xemi's picture

Touche my dear~ Pretty much,

Touche my dear~

Pretty much, that's what I plan on doing.. or ignoring it if it persists. I think it's finally stopped for now but thank some higher power for the mute button otherwise (;

Edit: Anyway, sorry for the ranting, I admit this helped me get it out of my system somewhat. It's just a pet peeve, and I know not everyone shares the same perspectives but this situation irked me way too much earlier. lC

Yeah, Illrose and Ravus

Yeah, Illrose and Ravus goofed around with this mini yesterday. I think it's a character, because it taunted and shook its head when our deer tried to befriend it, but nodded when our deer cowered at it. Sticking out tongue Pretty responsive. When our deer ran and cowered from it for a few minutes, it seemed to get bored and found other stuff to do.
It also knew how to get the pelt on a mini (since we saw it at the Twin Gods briefly), so... I assumed it was a TEFc person on an anonymous deer. Until I read this about harassing the nameless, I really thought they were pretty cool.

And re the discussion here... I think it's OK to have your deer act any way you want, as long as you are ALWAYS thinking of what the people playing the other characters may be seeing/thinking/feeling, and making sure none of your actions cross the line into what can be hurtful for the PLAYER.

If the deer is a nameless who is probably played by a younger person, brazenly testing emotes and whatever, it's more likely OK to stay IC, because yeah, they probably just want a reaction, no harm done even if your character "attacks back" (as long as you're not using that as an OOC way to convey you don't like what they're doing, because it won't be effective if they don't know what emotes mean what to begin with).

If the nameless seems to be a more sensitive new player, doing their best to respond to emotes and trying to interpret them, attacking isn't really considerate because they may not be aware it's IC but they MAY be aware it is an attack. That's why I'm sad to hear Revenant isn't making good choices. :I
Krystal's picture

Here ya go Xem, if you

Here ya go Xem, if you haven't found it already: http://www.endlessforest.org/community/why-it-ok-attack-namelesses-and-f... Smiling
Xemi's picture

Thankyou <3 I'll keep an open

Thankyou <3 I'll keep an open mind about it shedding some light maybe, gonna look it over now.

Oh.. that's surprisingly short, I expected a few paragraphs. xD
I guess so, I agree with those points actually. It's just.. GAH it's this mini.
Did it really have to go on for half an hour though? ;;

I've come across this mini

I've come across this mini several times, and what I do is gravity-defying flips all over it so it keeps away from my deer at least. :B Then spell it when it attempts to go at someone else. If it's really a player trying to troll, then they're a sad excuse for one.

It's more drawn to groups than individuals. Because of how noisy it was, I had to turn the sound off the game and I kept it off for like 30 minutes or so and it was still mooing at something.
Xemi's picture

LOL. I wanna.. airsit over it

LOL. I wanna.. airsit over it or something..
I'll troll it back (8 Spellcamping ftw. See? I wasn't exaggerating when I said
it was spazzing like a dumbass for over half an hour. It was annoyiinng = A=
Graveyard's picture

There is a time and a place

There is a time and a place to be rude/whatever to a Nameless. I have my points where I don't mind them and other points where I ignore them and then there are some that just get out right annoying. This guy, 100% is a troll of sorts. I've meet the little punk around at times but never had him torture my own characters.

New players, as others have stated need to learn a difference between what is right and what is wrong. If a player comes up to me while I'm on Nightmare and spellcasts me... I'm not going to roll and laugh, I'm going to act aggressive and let them know "Hey, you don't do that to this character." New players learn through actions and learn what's right and what's wrong. It's a common thing really I think, because if you don't let these new players know their limits. And they see something like this little mini deer futzing about doing this stuff (And getting reactions from others, etc.) they will then think it is all right for themselves to do it.

I can understand being upset about things, but this is just a common topic and anymore it's just getting quite... I dunno... repeated a lot? XD

Personally for me, in my defense I am rarely always at my computer when I am in forest... I HEAR Things but I often times do not respond to them (Unless it's an emergency and some ass decided to spell Nightmare or something LOL)

"Your efforts are insignificant! I carry you to your deaths!"
SilverBells's picture

I hear a lot of talk about

I hear a lot of talk about new players not knowing what actions are aggressive or 'attacking'. I guess that's true. It probably does take some longer to get it. But... lol As for me, when I first joined, I went off by myself and tried them all out so when I met a deer I'd know what to do. And it seemed common sense that lowering your antlers to another deer or rearing at them meant angriness. After all it DOES look an awful lot like what stags do in rut when they’re in a constant take off being ticked off. LOL *shrug* But I guess I just caught on easy.

And, so when a naked deer comes up with my picto is it a game glitch or is it a nameless deer? Because I seem to attract a LOT of those. I was nice to it at first, the usual bow or sniff, but then didn’t do anything and it followed me everywhere, I tried shooing it off by shaking my head at it and lowering my antlers, but and that didn’t work. Then I just belted out and tried to EHSHCAPE. xD But, those are actual players? They’re not just glitches that mimic you?... Oh. xD hahaha

And what is trolling? xD






Xemi's picture

Yeah those are nameless, the

Yeah those are nameless, the game often glitches your own picto onto them. xD

Ohjeez.. um.. how to explain trolling..
My awful description: someone who terrorizes and antagonizes other people (in this case deer) for the sake of getting a reaction and irritating the living hell out of them. 8D Basically they ignore all general rules and morals of this game to raise crap. :| And make it annoying / NOT fun to those around them. Usually it's not personal, they're just.. stupid.

Better description: People with no lives. |D
SilverBells's picture

Deer trolls. I bet they live

Deer trolls. I bet they live under the bridge, lurng little fawns to deh other side.... O___o

*pun fail* xD ROFL






Xemi's picture

*snort* LOL

*snort* LOL

Just popping in to say that I

Just popping in to say that I see them in the online users bar.

Hm.
Xemi's picture

Weirdest thing.. he came up

Weirdest thing.. he came up to a group I was in earlier and socialized normally o-o
AMAAZIIINNNGGG. I hope it stays like that. |D
SilverBells's picture

Just don't go with it under

Just don't go with it under any bridges and you should be fine.
... Ever wonder who was REALLY buried in the graveyard??? O____o
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onyxsoulclaw's picture

Hi everyone, Just to ask can

Hi everyone,

Just to ask can someone show me a pic of it's pito then if im in the game and i see it i will keep it busy and stop it annoying you guys

I completely agree with you

I completely agree with you Xemi. c: It's not good if people think the game is full of assholes, and if IC, i mean isn't there a 'point' where you would stop taunting the same deer for hours? I mean, TEF is a great community, it's not good to drive new players away c:
pattik1's picture

You know how to defeat any

You know how to defeat any troll venison? Keep running around a tree without change until they give up chasing after you. They don't have much patience and they're looking to get ANY reaction. Don't give it to them. Me? I like to go idle for a bit and do a statue thing. Works to the amusement of all if a whole harrassed group does it all at the same time at the same instant. (That means, we win! ) Don't let gremlin goat get their grin fix by giving them what they want, a reacting player who's being bullied into giving up their own character. Another fun take back is do their same behavior at something intentionally misdirected away from the troll AND ignoring them by acting oddly, like mirroring the troll's moves at a low hanging twig or stone tiki or something.